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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg we're back at the

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para cast and this week Chris O'Brien is

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back in his home studio and last week

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you were at someone's home and outside

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the sky was falling boy we are in the

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monsoon last night I had an incredible

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experience we had lightning must have

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struck within 100 100 150 yards five six

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times here I'm back down and you know

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down the hill from Sedona but well Teddy

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it's really exciting around here this

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time of year it's uh well it's better

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than the fourth of July sometimes well

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we've had dust storms in the Phoenix

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area and a lot of people around the

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United States have had really really

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extreme weather and some say well okay

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that's because of global warming others

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say well global warming it's just the

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normal weather cycles I know there was

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this book when science was wrong that

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Stan Friedman wrote with Kathleen Martin

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I guess you remember the book you aren't

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on my show but we had them on maybe two

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three years ago about this book well

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Stanton Friedman takes the position that

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the theory of manmade global warming is

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a complete fake there ain't no such

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thing what do you think

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well one volcanic eruption can put more

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carbon into the air than the entire

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output of humanity since the Industrial

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Revolution so there is there is some I

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think validity to that we're not helping

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by any stretch in terms of carbon

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emissions and exhaust and pollution

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but I would never go as far as to say

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that it's that activity that is the

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single largest or sole cause for global

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warming I think we are one thing that

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you don't hear much about is the Sun is

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actually starting to heat up a little

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and we're seeing evidence of that on

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some of the moons of the jovian planets

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and also also weather patterns here I

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think we're Venus is heating up you know

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there's a storm on Anse Adam one of the

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moons of Saturn if I remember correctly

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I read something about that a couple of

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weeks ago so I think I think that that's

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probably contributing to this wild and

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wacky weather that we've been having I

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mean it's I think it's gonna get a lot

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more interesting before it gets any more

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dull well interesting depends of where

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you live I mean if you live back east

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where people were without power for days

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on end and you wonder didn't the power

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companies ever think about preparing for

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any of this or do they just produce

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their power plants with the lowest

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bidder and they don't worry about it

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it's all profit driven they're cutting

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cost cutting corners and cutting you

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know quality of service I mean that's

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that's part of the American Way that's

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right let's all earn $10 an hour but

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therefore you kind of look at a hybrid

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kind of answer here that maybe there is

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some contribution from humans to global

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warming but it's also very much

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influenced by cycles they're far more

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powerful than any junk we can send into

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the atmosphere

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that's correct when Pinatubo for

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instance erupted they estimated in I

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think it was just a matter of three days

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it produced more car pump more carbon

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into the air then the entire industrial

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revolution or some crazy I saw some

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crazy factoid like that and it really

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made me scratch my head and go well

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maybe you know we're not helping the

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situation but Mother Nature has a habit

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of self-regulating so you know people

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say we're going in into this global

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warming and stuff well the planet will

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probably then cool off as soon as that

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Gulf Stream slows down anymore we're

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gonna stop pumping warm water

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up into the Arctic and then you know we

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might kick off an Ice Age he knows it's

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not nice to fool mother nature if you

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say so

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well that's how it goes with the

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self-regulating and that raises another

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theory here does the variance in whether

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the extremes that we're seeing in

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weather does that bring about an

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increase in paranormal events that's a

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good question I don't think anyone's

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ever done a study on that or done any

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sort of correlation work on that I mean

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over the years in the UFO field we've

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been looking for parallel some kind of

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consistency well they travel ley lines

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there's a seven-year interval between

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major flaps no it's a five year interval

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except five years later the pattern

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doesn't emerge but then do we look at

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solar activity do we look at other

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events on this planet and try to relate

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them and the other argument being is

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Mother Earth sending us a warning is

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that what some paranormal events are

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where say ET meets up with somebody and

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says well you're doing things are going

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to destroy your planet's climate or

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environment stop experimenting with

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nuclear weapons or nuclear power plants

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etc is that mother earth coming to the

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fore and saying hey folks stop it that's

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that's a good question I don't know the

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answer to it but I'll tell you I got a

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really interesting email in my inbox

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this morning it's purported to be from

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the Palladian Council and they're

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announcing that they're going to have a

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a grand arrival over the Olympics on

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August 4th do you want to start a

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betting pool on that no because this

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show will be heard on August 5th oh well

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so yesterday the Palladian council and

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four other galactic councils are going

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to do a big display over the Olympics

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and I'm not gonna hold my breath because

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it didn't happen yesterday that's right

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and this show is still gonna be on the

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air so it's not gonna continue to happen

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yeah well I mean that stuff is wacky

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I mean yeah talk about wackiness that's

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the extreme of wackiness where we had

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that although there are reports of UFOs

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over the Olympic site in the UK I saw

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the video what do you think of that with

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videos I don't know anything could be

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faked I think I'm too jaded it has to be

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something really superbly clear

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obviously not faked which is almost

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impossible these days before I'm willing

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to accept it yeah well that's that's our

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job here at the pair cast is trying to

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keep this stuff into some sort of

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level-headed perspective at least that's

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what I hope that we can do here we need

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some more level-headedness i think

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that's part of the issue because we're

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seeing so much variance we're seeing now

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for example with the TV show chasing

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UFOs where we have at least two of the

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participants James Fox and the skeptic

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appear to be serious people and they got

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involved with this venture and National

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Geographic is looking for ratings

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regardless of anything and they're

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caught in the crossfire either they

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participate and try to make it better

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or they give it up and it becomes worse

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well according to to James Fox and then

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Magee they have not been called on the

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carpet by National Geographic for their

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for their comments about the show which

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have been anything but sterling it's

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pretty rare that you have the stars of a

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of a new show come out and start dogging

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their own show you know before the I

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think the third episode is even run I

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think I hopefully NatGeo wake up and

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smell the roses well in commercial TV

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what they could also do is say you know

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what we're not going to renew you for

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season number two we'll find a couple of

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other people I mean I hope it doesn't

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happen I hope that they'll look at that

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and say what are we doing with the

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night-vision goggles and having them say

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gosh golly gee whiz Oh

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beep-beep-beep I think that's a UFO or

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finding buttons in the soil over

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in Roswell New Mexico and assuming that

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proves the Air Force was there even

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though there wasn't an Air Force in July

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of 1947 they wouldn't wake up say hey

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guys there's no airforce then I'll tell

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you what we should do because we should

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have our favorite curmudgeon come on the

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show this is tailor-made for this guy

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Kevin about that one

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Kevin Randle is obviously one of the

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primary supporters of the Roswell case

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but he also has some very pointed things

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to say about chasing UFOs also about the

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Aztec New Mexico case especially after

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the book that was written by Scott

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Ramsey and Suzanne Ramsey and I'm going

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to put that to him and tell you that I

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actually tried to get a hold the Ramseys

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to come on the show and it didn't seem

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to happen we'll see why so we have Kevin

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D Randle coming with gene and Chris

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old friend Kevin D Randall author of a

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number of books including a recent one

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reflections of a UFO investigator he

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also has this blog a different

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perspective at Kevin Randall on spot.com

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and he has some pointed things to say

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about a lot of things Kevin welcome back

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well thank you very much

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now some months back we had on scott and

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suzanne ramsey to talk about their book

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about aztec we expected that you would

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find a lot of fault with it which you

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did and you'll explain why in a moment

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but to be fair and balanced here i will

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tell you that i did invite Scott and

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Suzanne to come on the show I sent an

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email I left them phone messages I have

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had no response now I'm not going to

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assume the chickening out or anything

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maybe they're busy I'm going to say that

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as I began looking into the as

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Tech crash after the book came out and

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Scot was kind enough to send me a copy

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of the book and I sent him additional

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questions and we conversed through email

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and on the phone a couple of times once

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I posted my review of it everything went

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dark

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I have not I've sent him emails I've

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tried to call him I've gotten nothing

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I've heard not heard back from him I

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have got no emails from him so I'm

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assuming that he's annoyed at my reveal

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well certainly if you go out on the limb

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to write a book about something knowing

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that it's a controversial subject there

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are people who are in favor of the

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possibility that the Aztec incident

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involved the crash UFO people like

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Stanton Friedman obviously Kathleen mark

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wrote a very favorable comment about the

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book and we have people like you and a

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lot of other people who do not believe

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anything happened so he had to expect

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that when you write a book people are

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not going to just praise you I want to

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bury you I'm often astonished when I

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look at the reviews on Amazon for my

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books whether they're science fiction or

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UFO books how people can be at such

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complete opposite ends of the spectrum

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one person will say this is the greatest

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UFO book ever written and the next

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person says what a waste of trees I mean

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they're reading the same book but

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something something in the book triggers

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a response by those people I quite when

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I do wood reviews for books and I'm

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asked to do reviews frequently I just

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did a couple for the journal for

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scientific exploration and and so I take

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a look at the book I try to give it a

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fair evaluation based on the

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presentation and the evidence in that

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book so when you when you attack a

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controversial subject you have got to be

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able to present your case with a lot of

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evidence and that I think is where we

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stumble on some of these books

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okay specifically with the Aztec book

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from the Ramseys there's one particular

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alleged witness where you find serious

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fault and that could be

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obviously a serious detriment to the

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possibility that's real they in the book

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they have to alleged firsthand witnesses

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one named Doug Noland who was first

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interviewed and Scott told me he was not

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at the interview that the interview was

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conducted by a guy named Randy who

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nobody knows who that is

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at the home I believe it was at the home

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of John Lear and John Lear prior to this

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interview which was in the mid-1990s

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John Lear had been all over the internet

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explaining that he believed the Aztek

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crash was real so we have the

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possibility of a great deal of

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contamination there Nolan says when I

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was there with my friend and I think it

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I think it was Ben Ferguson may have

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been Bill Ferguson I could look at the

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book I supposed but the guy's dead and

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cannot corroborate it so we've got a

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first-hand alleged first-hand witness

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but we have nothing to put him on the

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site when we look at the Roswell case we

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have any number of alleged firsthand

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witnesses some of which have blown up in

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our faces of course but we always have

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documentation to put him in the place at

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the proper time so this particular

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witness we're getting secondhand

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information that he's publishing the

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witness is alleging that he was there

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and saw it but we have nothing to

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document that he was there and what I'm

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saying is with the Roswell case you'll

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pick Jesse Marcel is just an example we

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have the yearbook his pictures in it

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clearly he was assigned to the base at

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Roswell clearly he would have been

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involved okay so in that case in the

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case of Jesse Marcel senior we have

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independent verification yeah that he

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might have been fired it's not just

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somebody saying hey I was there and I

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saw et or I saw a spaceship and I saw

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the bodies but nobody can testify that

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person was there there's no other person

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there's no record that he lived in the

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area there's nothing well we can put him

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apparently he does Doug Nolan is from

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the Aztek area okay but we have nothing

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to put him there in 1947 what I'm saying

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is with the Roswell case the first thing

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we do when somebody says I was there we

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take a look at the yearbook as their

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name is in the yearbook and clearly they

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were there if their name is not me or

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doesn't mean they weren't there means

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their name isn't in the yearbook cuz

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Walter Haught told me 15 to 20 percent

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of the people weren't in the yearbook

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then we go to the base phonebook I found

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a number of names in there who aren't in

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the yearbook I mean people said I was

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there

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Darwin Rasmussen is the main this brings

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a mine you can't find him in the

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yearbook his name is in the the Roswell

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Army Airfield phonebook so so clearly he

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was there Doug Noland apparently lived

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in the Aztek area from what the Ramses

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tell us but we see no documentation to

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substantiate that that's interesting

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here the Ramses in their book have loads

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and loads of pictures of different sorts

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of documents some of which have nothing

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to do with the case I don't think and

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nothing nothing that they accumulated or

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evaluated shows what this guy might have

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been doing at that particular point in

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time the other thing the other thing

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they lack and in the difference in the

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Roswell case is we've got newspaper

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reports talking about the the things

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falling in Roswell in the Aztec area

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there's nothing there's no newspaper

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articles from anywhere and the the

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editor or owner of the Aztec newspaper

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in 1947 was interviewed in 1974 by Mike

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McLelland for an article he did in

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official UFO about the Aztec crash and

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he said he talked to the guy and the guy

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said not nothing happened here used to

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be edited in the newspaper he would have

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known do you think how could that be

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kept a secret yes the other thing is

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when you take a look at Nolan's story it

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parallels some what the story told by

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Scully in behind the flying saucers the

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the Newton and jib our story which

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apparently is a hoax and so we've got

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these these two tales where in the one

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case with Scully he says the scientists

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stood around the craft or watched the

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craft for two days before they were

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finally able to open it they poked a

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hole or they poked a pole through a hole

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in a porthole and it triggered something

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that opened it up you know I don't

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understand that at all I'm thinking of

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an advanced spaceship from another

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planet somehow lands here the hole was

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conveniently there was the only damage

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to the spacecraft okay

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something in there to open it up

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no they just poked there they poked a

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rod in there and they were poking around

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to hit a switch or something and the

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thing opened up okay and in Ramsey story

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it's I think it's Ferguson who pokes the

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hole or pokes the pole through the hole

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and hits something within a couple of

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hours so there's there's those sorts of

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problems that get a rife in the book and

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one of the things you mentioned just a

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few minutes is absolutely correct

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there's a lot of documents in there and

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a lot of them have absolutely nothing to

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do with the as that case I'll tell you

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Don Ecker and you are tuned in to the

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para cast let me tell you what you're

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gonna hear stuff here that you probably

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won't hear anywhere else hear that

641
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George Noory with gene Steinberg and

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Chris O'Brien we have Kevin D Randle

643
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author of science fact and science

644
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fiction book he's covered UFOs for many

645
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:24,900
years we're looking at the Aztec case

646
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:28,020
and we're picking apart flaws that he

647
00:27:30,410 --> 00:27:29,970
finds in the Aztec case we go back to

648
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Scully

649
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:33,890
now the Ramseys made a big effort to

650
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resurrect the reputation of G Bower and

651
00:27:43,790 --> 00:27:41,340
Newton to try to make it look as if well

652
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in their particular this legal case

653
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against Newton that it was just

654
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something that the authorities made up

655
00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:51,930
to harass him what's going on there if

656
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that was the only only thing if that was

657
00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:56,130
the only case against him

658
00:28:00,740 --> 00:27:58,470
yeah I'm on board I can see that that

659
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:00,750
might be true the problem is with with

660
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:04,020
Newton his run-ins with the law go back

661
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:07,410
to 1928 and he is he is involved in a

662
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:09,690
number of fraudulent attempts to take

663
00:28:14,090 --> 00:28:12,210
people's money scams and how he avoided

664
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:14,100
jail time was every time somebody

665
00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:15,900
complained and the law got too close

666
00:28:18,230 --> 00:28:17,130
that the courts were getting too close

667
00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:18,240
he made restitution

668
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:20,550
on the condition that the charges would

669
00:28:23,780 --> 00:28:21,930
be dropped but you look at his history

670
00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:23,790
he goes back in 1928 what are you doing

671
00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:25,320
this okay but that's not mentioned in

672
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:27,030
the book the book implies this

673
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:29,490
particular case that was used in that

674
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:32,010
true magazine article was really the

675
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:34,410
only instance where he ran into legal

676
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:35,700
trouble that's the implication I get

677
00:28:38,900 --> 00:28:37,290
from the book it's the only time he

678
00:28:40,670 --> 00:28:38,910
apparently was the only time he was

679
00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:40,680
convicted but at the time of his death

680
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:42,780
in 1972 there were there was something

681
00:28:46,790 --> 00:28:44,130
like a hundred and forty lawsuits

682
00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:46,800
against him and and the interesting

683
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:49,710
thing about Newton and and Frank Warren

684
00:28:54,260 --> 00:28:52,110
made this perfectly clear to me he

685
00:28:56,270 --> 00:28:54,270
apparently did graduate from Yale and

686
00:28:58,850 --> 00:28:56,280
apparently was the championship golfer I

687
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,860
mean he won many many titles golf titles

688
00:29:03,230 --> 00:29:00,480
but if there were two ways of doing

689
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:03,240
things a scam and a legitimate way

690
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:06,030
Newton went with a scam every time that

691
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:09,210
was just his mental makeup so you have

692
00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:10,890
the problem with Newton with this

693
00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:13,950
history of run-ins with the law that go

694
00:29:20,810 --> 00:29:18,420
back beyond 1947 or 1952 when he got

695
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:20,820
into trouble in in Denver and it

696
00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:22,380
continues through his entire life

697
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,350
apparently when he died he had sixteen

698
00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:27,480
thousand dollars to his name that's his

699
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:30,300
entire asset was sixteen thousand

700
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,290
dollars here's a guy who's supposed to

701
00:29:36,530 --> 00:29:33,840
be a multi-millionaire and and he died

702
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:36,540
basically destitute that's more than I

703
00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:38,370
have but look seriously speaking here

704
00:29:42,650 --> 00:29:40,800
okay so it looks to me from what you're

705
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:42,660
saying is that the Ramseys look for the

706
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:45,480
positive information and kind of

707
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:47,730
overlooked the negative stuff yeah yeah

708
00:29:53,030 --> 00:29:50,010
they spin it they spin it the best way

709
00:29:56,660 --> 00:29:53,040
they can they talk about - firsthand

710
00:29:58,370 --> 00:29:56,670
witnesses Noland and I think ken Farley

711
00:30:00,680 --> 00:29:58,380
is the other guy that they they talk to

712
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:00,690
you both guys are now dead so there's no

713
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:03,090
way to verify it neither story makes

714
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,580
sense Farley was apparently living in

715
00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:07,200
Durango Colorado which isn't all that

716
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:10,470
far away from from Aztec by the way and

717
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:11,730
he and a friend were going to go

718
00:30:15,890 --> 00:30:13,710
somewhere so he drives down to Aztec to

719
00:30:17,660 --> 00:30:15,900
pick up the friend the anonymous friend

720
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:17,670
we never have that guy identified and

721
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:19,140
then he tells a story about how he

722
00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:20,940
showed up and saw everybody out on me

723
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:24,150
hard Canyon Road looking at this flying

724
00:30:28,730 --> 00:30:26,100
saucer and so there's there's no

725
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:28,740
corroboration for this guy either he's a

726
00:30:32,029 --> 00:30:31,530
lone voice so if the friend was there

727
00:30:34,009 --> 00:30:32,039
and we could

728
00:30:36,499 --> 00:30:34,019
we could verify the friend that would be

729
00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:36,509
great but we can't do any of that then

730
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:39,899
they talk about Virgil Riggs who lived

731
00:30:43,159 --> 00:30:41,580
in the Aztec area apparently we went to

732
00:30:45,229 --> 00:30:43,169
high school in the attic area and said

733
00:30:46,909 --> 00:30:45,239
that he he had heard about it all his

734
00:30:50,779 --> 00:30:46,919
life but he had didn't see anything

735
00:30:52,969 --> 00:30:50,789
himself and his father who lived in the

736
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:52,979
area thought the thing was a hoax but

737
00:30:58,009 --> 00:30:55,049
but while Riggs is stationed in England

738
00:31:00,109 --> 00:30:58,019
he runs into a guy named Donald bass and

739
00:31:02,330 --> 00:31:00,119
bass is from the area and he he was

740
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,340
there and he saw everything but bass has

741
00:31:06,619 --> 00:31:04,320
disappeared nobody knows what bass he is

742
00:31:07,969 --> 00:31:06,629
the Ramseys in the book say bass was

743
00:31:09,739 --> 00:31:07,979
killed in Vietnam by a hit-and-run

744
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:09,749
driver it took me a minute I have to

745
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:11,940
find out that wasn't true as you well

746
00:31:16,609 --> 00:31:14,220
know if you type Vietnam Veterans

747
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:16,619
Memorial into your search in you end up

748
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:19,129
with a you've got a listing of all

749
00:31:25,219 --> 00:31:22,169
58,000 guys and I say guys I think there

750
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:25,229
were eight women killed in Vietnam and

751
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:28,169
only one was military woman that due to

752
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:30,809
hostile action I should say but but all

753
00:31:35,659 --> 00:31:32,940
58,000 people killed in Vietnam

754
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:35,669
are listed there and there is no Donald

755
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:37,710
bass listed and there's no Donald bass

756
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:39,840
listed is killed by a hit-and-run driver

757
00:31:43,639 --> 00:31:42,090
as is Aram Zee say in the book now I

758
00:31:45,529 --> 00:31:43,649
don't blame the Ramseys for that that's

759
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,539
what the family told told them or a

760
00:31:49,159 --> 00:31:47,340
family told them about what happened to

761
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:49,169
the bass I'm just saying that was

762
00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:50,700
something that was very easy to check

763
00:31:56,419 --> 00:31:52,830
out and didn't pan out and it's just

764
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,429
that to me is just a really kind of a

765
00:32:01,249 --> 00:31:58,799
inconsequential mistake other than it

766
00:32:02,570 --> 00:32:01,259
was easy to to refute so this thing

767
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:02,580
about Virgil Riggs the whole chapter

768
00:32:07,339 --> 00:32:05,369
about Virgil Riggs blows up because Rigg

769
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:07,349
said he didn't see anything his father

770
00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:08,700
said it didn't happen and the guy who

771
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:11,460
they talked to is unavailable

772
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:15,330
how convenient now looking at the

773
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:17,340
various issues that were raised you had

774
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:20,129
correspondence with Scott Ramsay did he

775
00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:21,929
have any responses at all to your

776
00:32:28,099 --> 00:32:24,659
concerns yeah he was very good about

777
00:32:30,529 --> 00:32:28,109
that and he I had gotten the idea that

778
00:32:32,509 --> 00:32:30,539
that in the first interview with Doug

779
00:32:35,180 --> 00:32:32,519
Noland he hadn't been there and ran this

780
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:35,190
Randy guy wasn't was was a guy who has

781
00:32:39,379 --> 00:32:37,769
interviewed him Frank Warren thought

782
00:32:41,239 --> 00:32:39,389
that Scott had been involved in that

783
00:32:45,409 --> 00:32:41,249
interview and he said no I wasn't there

784
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:45,419
was no 'ln this Randy guy in John Lear

785
00:32:55,499 --> 00:32:52,240
but but God did talk to Nolan after 2000

786
00:32:59,070 --> 00:32:55,509
and so he had he had some information he

787
00:33:03,149 --> 00:32:59,080
got from from Nolan himself but one of

788
00:33:05,610 --> 00:33:03,159
the things they do in the book and I'm

789
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:05,620
sure it's more a result of being

790
00:33:10,639 --> 00:33:08,320
first-time writers than it is anything

791
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:10,649
else they talk about they talk about

792
00:33:18,749 --> 00:33:14,799
manual so Duvall who was a Cuba New

793
00:33:20,129 --> 00:33:18,759
Mexico police officer and as you read

794
00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:20,139
the book you get the impression they

795
00:33:25,830 --> 00:33:23,320
interviewed this guy because you know he

796
00:33:28,499 --> 00:33:25,840
kind of verify some of the stuff and in

797
00:33:29,970 --> 00:33:28,509
talking to Scott he said no I we didn't

798
00:33:31,619 --> 00:33:29,980
we couldn't find him but we talked to

799
00:33:33,659 --> 00:33:31,629
some distant family members who seem to

800
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:33,669
remember him talking about that well

801
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:36,850
okay that's like 14th hand memories or

802
00:33:42,869 --> 00:33:40,690
something like that it's not even that

803
00:33:46,379 --> 00:33:42,879
good there's nothing there I think what

804
00:33:48,419 --> 00:33:46,389
Scott has done is taken the story and

805
00:33:50,430 --> 00:33:48,429
they believe that man manual so Duvall

806
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:50,440
was the police officer involved based on

807
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:52,809
Nolan's testimony and so they've plugged

808
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:54,730
him into the story as if he has been

809
00:34:00,450 --> 00:33:56,799
interviewed and he hasn't there's no way

810
00:34:03,149 --> 00:34:00,460
there's nothing to indicate other than

811
00:34:06,269 --> 00:34:03,159
they managed to find the guy's name from

812
00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:06,279
the Kuban New Mexico Police Department

813
00:34:14,099 --> 00:34:09,190
now back in the 1980s Williams Steinman

814
00:34:15,629 --> 00:34:14,109
wrote a much larger book on Aztec well

815
00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:15,639
no you might wrote much like your book

816
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:17,550
very little of it had to do with a stack

817
00:34:23,879 --> 00:34:20,169
there was a lot of ancillary nonsense in

818
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:23,889
that book such as mk12

819
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:29,649
okay the the Lorado 1948 crash with the

820
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:35,200
tomato man pictures which is a hoax just

821
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:36,520
to name a couple of things that he goes

822
00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:40,089
off on tangents about so basically it

823
00:34:46,260 --> 00:34:43,300
was filler now it looked to me like the

824
00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:46,270
book that the Rameses wrote could have

825
00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:49,359
been a much smaller book if you got rid

826
00:34:58,410 --> 00:34:52,540
of the extraneous documentation that had

827
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,420
nothing to do with the case exactly and

828
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:01,359
I asked I asked about some of that they

829
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:03,760
have the the the FBI document the one

830
00:35:10,380 --> 00:35:07,660
the Hoover memo as we call it where the

831
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:10,390
Air Force is asking the FBI for help and

832
00:35:17,730 --> 00:35:12,490
investigating the backgrounds of UFO

833
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:17,740
witnesses in July of 1947 and Hoover

834
00:35:22,319 --> 00:35:18,900
wrote on it

835
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:22,329
something to the effect I you know we

836
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:24,599
should do this except I would I would

837
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:27,490
want access to this recovery for example

838
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:30,130
and me and then the handwriting is such

839
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:31,270
you're not really sure but I think this

840
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:33,250
is you know L a case the army took it

841
00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:34,809
the army grabbed it and wouldn't let us

842
00:35:40,799 --> 00:35:38,200
spend but that documents in the Aztec

843
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:40,809
case or the Aztec book has nothing to do

844
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:41,980
with a stick has nothing to do with

845
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:43,450
Roger I think it has to do with that

846
00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:45,790
Shreveport Louisiana hoax from early

847
00:35:51,569 --> 00:35:49,240
July of 1947 but that document is there

848
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,579
as if it lands some credibility to the

849
00:35:56,130 --> 00:35:53,200
Aztec case because Hoover's talking

850
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:56,140
about disks recovered but in in that

851
00:36:01,230 --> 00:35:57,970
case he's talking about a specific case

852
00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:01,240
in three-port Louisiana that that I

853
00:36:06,299 --> 00:36:03,849
think almost everybody and I say that

854
00:36:08,730 --> 00:36:06,309
because things that I assume are

855
00:36:10,650 --> 00:36:08,740
well-known facts there are people who

856
00:36:12,329 --> 00:36:10,660
argue with it about them but I think

857
00:36:13,770 --> 00:36:12,339
almost everybody believes this report

858
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:13,780
Louisiana case was a hoax

859
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:16,740
the only question is was was the

860
00:36:22,770 --> 00:36:18,970
notation by Hoover and his handwriting

861
00:36:25,710 --> 00:36:22,780
did say la for Louisiana and I did find

862
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:25,720
another FBI document where that that

863
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,630
endorsement is typed out by one of his

864
00:36:32,339 --> 00:36:30,640
top assistants and it does say la as

865
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:32,349
opposed to SW or some of the other

866
00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:33,910
various interpretations away it's

867
00:36:37,980 --> 00:36:35,980
scribbled on there we have Kevin Randall

868
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joining us this week with Jeanne and

869
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Chris you're in the para cask

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what I was doing to lower it so much so

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I told her about HB extract millions of

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948
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966
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968
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first call 898 steel today and save as

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972
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977
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979
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spend thousands of dollars more than you

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should call eight six six ninety nine

981
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this is Leslie Kane and I'm with the

982
00:41:10,579 --> 00:41:06,780
Coalition for freedom of information and

983
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:10,589
you are listening to the podcast so

984
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,060
we'll just spend a few more moments here

985
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:14,160
talking about Aztek before we get onto

986
00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:16,500
so much other stuff with Kevin Randall

987
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:19,230
on the power cast and Kevin of course is

988
00:41:24,859 --> 00:41:22,790
obviously a disbeliever now well I

989
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:24,869
understand your message you can't find

990
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:27,540
it convinces you the Aztek see I'll take

991
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:29,730
case to me as a hoax and I waited

992
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:31,260
patiently for the book to come out I

993
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:34,380
know that God and others said you guys

994
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:37,320
have to read the book to see what see

995
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,480
what evidence we've uncovered but the

996
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:41,280
evidence uncovered in it was was

997
00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:43,890
extremely weak and and I know that some

998
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:47,550
of the other people involved in UFO

999
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:49,290
research have been very very

1000
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,230
disappointed in the in the book and I'm

1001
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:54,720
absolutely stunned right in fact I saw

1002
00:42:00,109 --> 00:41:57,960
Stan for four or five weeks ago and I

1003
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:00,119
said Aztek really and he said Aztek yeah

1004
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:03,810
so he maintaining that Aztec is solid

1005
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:06,300
UFO crash this is Stan Freedman

1006
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:08,670
maintains it is Frank Warren thinks it

1007
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:11,910
is too he's pretty convincing but but

1008
00:42:16,819 --> 00:42:13,770
but with Frank Warren you can't say to

1009
00:42:19,220 --> 00:42:16,829
him well gee the mj-12 document mentions

1010
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:19,230
nothing about it so if a stick is real

1011
00:42:22,700 --> 00:42:20,910
why is it mentioned in the mj-12

1012
00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:22,710
document is that mean the album mj-12

1013
00:42:27,309 --> 00:42:24,750
document is a fake seems to me you've

1014
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:27,319
got a neutrally exclusive viewpoint here

1015
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:28,440
hmm

1016
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:32,130
good point okay so we have the Aztec

1017
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:34,680
case some believe it but we're still

1018
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:37,170
waiting for more information I'm really

1019
00:42:43,940 --> 00:42:40,980
sorry that the Ramseys are not at this

1020
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:43,950
point basically trying to defend what

1021
00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:46,410
they did I think what they should have

1022
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,030
done is is talk to some of the UFO

1023
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,700
researchers and get an idea of what we

1024
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:55,200
would like to have seen in the way of

1025
00:43:00,260 --> 00:42:58,319
evidence you know they have they have

1026
00:43:02,059 --> 00:43:00,270
they present the names of two firsthand

1027
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:02,069
witnesses but we have no corroborated

1028
00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:05,369
testimony about that much of the other

1029
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:08,280
stuff is second-hand at best and and and

1030
00:43:14,359 --> 00:43:11,700
and to their to their credit in in the

1031
00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:14,369
story about the preacher who supposedly

1032
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:15,030
saw this

1033
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:18,180
the guy never told his own son but told

1034
00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:19,770
a deacon in the church and one of the

1035
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,630
Deacons son about it but in his own

1036
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:23,880
stunts says now this his father never

1037
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:25,530
mentioned it but the Ramseys to their

1038
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,900
credit bring that up in the book that's

1039
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,700
why I know this is they they they

1040
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:31,200
published that in the book or not I

1041
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:32,580
would have liked to see a little bit

1042
00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:36,510
more of that sort of analysis by them as

1043
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:38,070
they as they go right through this went

1044
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:40,200
through the evidence it reads to me

1045
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,560
almost like the prosecutors case against

1046
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:45,720
the guilty party being the spaceship at

1047
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:48,570
Aztec and the defense says there was no

1048
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:54,000
spaceship but but the prosecutor always

1049
00:44:00,440 --> 00:43:55,530
has an obligation which they don't

1050
00:44:02,930 --> 00:44:00,450
always meet to to search for the truth

1051
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,940
the defense is supposed to defend defend

1052
00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:05,280
their dear client regardless of what the

1053
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:06,780
truth is the prosecution is supposed to

1054
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:08,610
find the truth they should have been

1055
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,410
operating as the prosecution not the

1056
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,960
defense and I don't think they operated

1057
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:14,880
as a prosecution they yeah they operated

1058
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,050
as the defense and they overlooked

1059
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:17,760
things that they didn't fit with their

1060
00:44:21,350 --> 00:44:20,070
scenarios and and and in fairness to

1061
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:21,360
Frank Warren when I brought some of this

1062
00:44:24,860 --> 00:44:22,920
stuff up to me see you would say yeah

1063
00:44:27,140 --> 00:44:24,870
that's a good point you know and it's

1064
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:27,150
very worrisome especially the dichotomy

1065
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:30,180
between what Scully said and what Noland

1066
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:32,520
and this pharma guy said you know that's

1067
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:35,400
that's that's very problematic but

1068
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,460
Warren Warren I think is a fan of Silas

1069
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:40,800
Newton because he wasn't he wanted to

1070
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:42,660
argue Silas Newton he sent me all kinds

1071
00:44:46,070 --> 00:44:44,010
of information about silence Newton

1072
00:44:46,460 --> 00:44:46,080
which was very interesting but at the

1073
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:46,470
end

1074
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,160
Silas Newton was a con man and Silas

1075
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:52,140
Newton doesn't prove that Aztecs

1076
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:55,470
occurred well Silas Newton also didn't

1077
00:45:01,160 --> 00:44:58,410
see anything supposedly he was relaying

1078
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:01,170
what he had been told so when you by the

1079
00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:02,850
time you get to scholar your third hand

1080
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:06,780
information at best so there you go with

1081
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:09,270
a stag now another person who came on

1082
00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:12,330
the show on occasion a few years back

1083
00:45:18,140 --> 00:45:14,430
made one observation which is he calls

1084
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:18,150
the Aztec case like Dracula you keep

1085
00:45:23,900 --> 00:45:22,410
sticking a steak into its heart but then

1086
00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:23,910
it comes back again after you pull the

1087
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,150
steak out yes you would think after

1088
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:29,400
after and and the

1089
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:31,370
the way the Ramseys do go after JP came

1090
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:34,830
who wrote the the article that really

1091
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:38,070
trashed Scully's book and saying that he

1092
00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:40,140
wasn't fair and his analysis but if you

1093
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:43,350
listen to his and you can find it on the

1094
00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:44,970
internet the last speech he gave about

1095
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:46,830
it in the mid-1980s I think it was you

1096
00:45:52,340 --> 00:45:50,520
know teen is really pretty funny but but

1097
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:52,350
after after Cain you thought you would

1098
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,730
think it driven a stake through the

1099
00:45:59,300 --> 00:45:55,920
heart of the of the Aztec case it comes

1100
00:46:01,040 --> 00:45:59,310
back and in the guise of Robert Spencer

1101
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:01,050
car I think the guy his name was in the

1102
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:02,460
mid nineteen seventy said that he'd

1103
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:05,010
talked to five people who he was

1104
00:46:09,260 --> 00:46:06,630
convinced was telling him the truth and

1105
00:46:12,170 --> 00:46:09,270
that the Aztec case was real and then

1106
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:12,180
you have Mike McLelland doing his his

1107
00:46:17,780 --> 00:46:15,060
analysis of the Aztec crash as a hoax

1108
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:17,790
based on talking to the guy who was the

1109
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:20,250
sheriff in 1948 the newspaper reporter

1110
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:23,160
and other other what witnesses or other

1111
00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:25,500
residents of Aztec they're saying it

1112
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:27,360
didn't happen so you think well that's

1113
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,920
we're done again now we're done with

1114
00:46:34,580 --> 00:46:30,960
Aztec and then we have Steinman's book

1115
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:34,590
come out and Steinman was a true

1116
00:46:37,610 --> 00:46:35,970
believer and what really cracked me up

1117
00:46:40,580 --> 00:46:37,620
about Steinman's book so he blows into

1118
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,590
Aztec he's uh he puts an ad in the

1119
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:42,240
newspaper looking for witnesses and then

1120
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:44,940
he goes to a garage sale and he says the

1121
00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:46,200
people you know think about this attic

1122
00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:47,550
correct I said oh yeah we know all about

1123
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:50,190
it and he finds out the people had moved

1124
00:46:54,830 --> 00:46:53,070
Aztec in 1972 well you know okay you

1125
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:54,840
know all about it but you weren't here

1126
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:58,530
at the right time and and you know and

1127
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:00,300
that's the level of evidence we get from

1128
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:01,440
it you know these guys were there in

1129
00:47:05,930 --> 00:47:04,470
1972 he talked about this Harold Dunning

1130
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:05,940
he goes out to interview Harold Dunning

1131
00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:07,710
who owned property and they have on the

1132
00:47:12,460 --> 00:47:11,160
crash site at one point about this and

1133
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:12,470
Dunning doesn't want to talk to him so

1134
00:47:17,780 --> 00:47:15,420
Steinman sees a conspiracy in bass never

1135
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,790
never figuring that maybe Dunning is

1136
00:47:21,140 --> 00:47:19,440
really sick of people showing up on his

1137
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,150
front door to talk about this crashed it

1138
00:47:24,980 --> 00:47:23,460
he doesn't believe ever happened or

1139
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:24,990
maybe he tells him a story just to get

1140
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:26,580
rid of them you have to kind of worry

1141
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:29,460
about what's going on over there but the

1142
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:31,320
point is longtime residents are all

1143
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,290
saying this didn't happen right well the

1144
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:36,240
flyover happened a couple three years

1145
00:47:44,799 --> 00:47:41,650
that-that-that's that's I think one of

1146
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:44,809
the a one of the real Dark Horse UFO

1147
00:47:49,180 --> 00:47:46,490
events I think from the time period out

1148
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:49,190
that that was a huge flotilla of objects

1149
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:52,970
that was seen in my excuse me why don't

1150
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:55,760
we move away from playing inside

1151
00:48:00,220 --> 00:47:57,530
baseball here and explain this case

1152
00:48:03,730 --> 00:48:00,230
Chris well probably Kevin knows more

1153
00:48:06,910 --> 00:48:03,740
about it than I do but I yeah I do I do

1154
00:48:09,809 --> 00:48:06,920
recall Tom Adams who was a longtime

1155
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:09,819
researcher from Paris Texas looked into

1156
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:11,930
some very interesting sightings that

1157
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:14,089
happened I think over a two or three-day

1158
00:48:18,549 --> 00:48:16,130
period if I remember correctly of a

1159
00:48:21,339 --> 00:48:18,559
large flotilla of objects that were seen

1160
00:48:24,339 --> 00:48:21,349
by by as residents in that particular

1161
00:48:27,220 --> 00:48:24,349
area between Aztec I think in Cortes and

1162
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:27,230
and then there were reports of dozens

1163
00:48:31,390 --> 00:48:29,930
and dozens of objects if I remember that

1164
00:48:33,819 --> 00:48:31,400
we're seeing and this didn't make the

1165
00:48:35,530 --> 00:48:33,829
papers excuse me let me let me interrupt

1166
00:48:38,380 --> 00:48:35,540
it wasn't that but wasn't the for teller

1167
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,390
in flotilla in the ninth in 1950 as

1168
00:48:44,109 --> 00:48:40,640
opposed to 1948 correct

1169
00:48:46,180 --> 00:48:44,119
it was 1950 yeah and and according to

1170
00:48:49,569 --> 00:48:46,190
the Ramses there were a couple of UFO

1171
00:48:51,609 --> 00:48:49,579
sightings in 1948 in in the aztec area

1172
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:51,619
but this is the Farmington New Mexico

1173
00:48:57,579 --> 00:48:55,520
thing from from 1950 right Farmington

1174
00:48:59,620 --> 00:48:57,589
there you go I knew it was in that area

1175
00:49:02,920 --> 00:48:59,630
so it was south that was between a snake

1176
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:02,930
and Farmington correct yeah I I think I

1177
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:06,650
do actually have a copy of that article

1178
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,150
I think it was either in the Durango

1179
00:49:13,329 --> 00:49:10,400
paper or the Farmington paper I haven't

1180
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:13,339
seen it in years but but perhaps that

1181
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:17,030
could have been an inspiration for some

1182
00:49:23,620 --> 00:49:19,609
sort of crash story to even develop in

1183
00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:23,630
the first place well I'd say the only

1184
00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:25,430
problem that the credit the Scully's

1185
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:27,950
first article appeared in October I

1186
00:49:32,799 --> 00:49:29,089
think of 1949

1187
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:32,809
oh but in that first article as Frank

1188
00:49:39,849 --> 00:49:37,040
Warren pointed out to me Scully doesn't

1189
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:39,859
mention Aztec it's other UFO crashes but

1190
00:49:44,289 --> 00:49:41,690
he talks about the little little men

1191
00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:44,299
with the perfect teeth and dressed in

1192
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:46,790
1890 guard and that sort of thing but

1193
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:49,730
first the first mention of the UFO

1194
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:52,490
crashes from from Scully as October of

1195
00:49:55,300 --> 00:49:53,690
1949

1196
00:49:57,580 --> 00:49:55,310
then the Farmington thing is later and

1197
00:50:00,100 --> 00:49:57,590
then Scully's book comes out in 52 I

1198
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,110
think it is now before we go into

1199
00:50:04,930 --> 00:50:02,720
another topic will drop Aztec in a

1200
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:04,940
moment ladies and gentlemen do we assume

1201
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:07,430
then with this book and the comments and

1202
00:50:12,670 --> 00:50:09,590
response this is going to be in four as

1203
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:12,680
Tech 4 here on or 5 4 so now somebody

1204
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:15,560
else is going to resurrect this case in

1205
00:50:20,980 --> 00:50:19,010
ufology everything cycles back through

1206
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:20,990
and and it doesn't matter how well

1207
00:50:29,380 --> 00:50:24,610
something is solved it always comes back

1208
00:50:31,570 --> 00:50:29,390
and so somebody is going to get the

1209
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:31,580
Aztec bee in their bonnet and going to

1210
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:33,410
try to find something else out about it

1211
00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:36,590
and and and the sad thing is you know

1212
00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:38,950
when I was when I was working on my PhD

1213
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:41,360
the one thing that they always taught us

1214
00:50:45,970 --> 00:50:43,490
was you make a literature search you you

1215
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:45,980
okay you have a research question you

1216
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:48,980
want to answer but you make a search of

1217
00:50:52,180 --> 00:50:50,330
the literature to see if anybody else

1218
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:52,190
has done the same research or if there's

1219
00:50:58,030 --> 00:50:55,010
research that may help you refine your

1220
00:51:01,120 --> 00:50:58,040
question and apparently with Aztec

1221
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:01,130
nobody bothers to do the research they

1222
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:03,530
just they just jump into the Aztec case

1223
00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:05,680
without looking at what's gone on beyond

1224
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:08,060
before them and and that's the sad thing

1225
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:09,710
and I think and ufology we need to do

1226
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,730
more of that if you are going to attack

1227
00:51:17,740 --> 00:51:16,400
a you Falah djegal problem whatever it

1228
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:17,750
is you should at least be aware of what

1229
00:51:21,660 --> 00:51:19,970
the literature said before you or just

1230
00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:21,670
write the same old things all over again

1231
00:51:25,810 --> 00:51:24,440
nothing ever gets solved we're trying to

1232
00:51:28,300 --> 00:51:25,820
resolve a few things we have Kevin

1233
00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:28,310
Randle you're joining gene and Chris

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1289
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1290
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:13,800
joining from the para cast with Gene and

1291
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,170
Chris we started off with a stick and

1292
00:54:21,140 --> 00:54:18,480
the reasons why he can't accept that

1293
00:54:23,900 --> 00:54:21,150
case let's return to one of his favorite

1294
00:54:25,790 --> 00:54:23,910
cases that he does except Roswell now

1295
00:54:27,620 --> 00:54:25,800
there's a piece he wrote at a different

1296
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:27,630
perspective that's the blog by the way

1297
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:30,290
he has Kevin Randle dot blog spot.com

1298
00:54:36,730 --> 00:54:34,500
about Roswell and chase Brandon chase

1299
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:36,740
Brandon being an alleged CIA

1300
00:54:41,420 --> 00:54:38,910
whistleblower what's the story

1301
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:41,430
I believe chase Brandon is the real deal

1302
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:44,610
I mean he worked at the CIA and I think

1303
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:46,230
other other researchers have been able

1304
00:54:52,340 --> 00:54:49,590
to to confirm that one of them actually

1305
00:54:54,620 --> 00:54:52,350
called him at CIA headquarters in

1306
00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:54,630
Langley and chatted with him for an hour

1307
00:54:59,390 --> 00:54:57,630
so a number of years ago in fact the guy

1308
00:55:01,490 --> 00:54:59,400
I said something to Carl flock about it

1309
00:55:03,140 --> 00:55:01,500
and phlox said yeah he was gathering

1310
00:55:05,570 --> 00:55:03,150
information on you as you were which

1311
00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:05,580
happened with him so clearly clearly he

1312
00:55:10,790 --> 00:55:07,830
was but the thing that really cracked us

1313
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:10,800
up and I say us the Roswell researchers

1314
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:13,530
so he's bumming around the the CIA he's

1315
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:15,570
in the vault and by vault you know we

1316
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,430
think of a bank bank vault ID saying

1317
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:18,960
where they're highly classified

1318
00:55:25,550 --> 00:55:22,140
materials are kept he just happens to be

1319
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:25,560
bumming around in there yeah in my

1320
00:55:30,110 --> 00:55:28,440
experience with top-secret material you

1321
00:55:31,580 --> 00:55:30,120
didn't go into the vault unless you had

1322
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,590
a reason to go in the vault you just

1323
00:55:35,570 --> 00:55:34,140
didn't go in there to to bum around but

1324
00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:35,580
he's in the vault looking around and he

1325
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:38,550
finds a box labeled Roswell and so he

1326
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:40,050
pulls it down and he seizes their

1327
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,880
photographs and reports that convinces

1328
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:43,040
him that Roswell is a real-deal

1329
00:55:46,310 --> 00:55:44,190
extraterrestrial

1330
00:55:48,140 --> 00:55:46,320
I'm thinking different just this is

1331
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,150
preposterous oh no this is this is as

1332
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:50,880
dumb as corso story about seeing the

1333
00:55:55,070 --> 00:55:52,950
bodies of Fort Riley Kansas you know is

1334
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:55,080
it sergeant buddy was in there

1335
00:55:59,420 --> 00:55:57,570
the convoy from Roswell was going to

1336
00:56:01,280 --> 00:55:59,430
right field they stopped at Fort Riley

1337
00:56:02,690 --> 00:56:01,290
for overnight - overnight and they had

1338
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:02,700
apparently I'm a little bit the trucks

1339
00:56:07,940 --> 00:56:06,300
and put guard from from Riley on on the

1340
00:56:09,290 --> 00:56:07,950
stuff of one of the guys opened the box

1341
00:56:10,850 --> 00:56:09,300
and found an alien and

1342
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:10,860
all his buddy Corso and they looked at

1343
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:13,380
the alien I mean chase Brandon story is

1344
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:15,150
as preposterous as that you know I'm

1345
00:56:18,380 --> 00:56:16,440
just I'm just in there looking around

1346
00:56:20,330 --> 00:56:18,390
and find a box labeled Roswell why would

1347
00:56:22,190 --> 00:56:20,340
it be labeled Roswell for god sakes I

1348
00:56:25,580 --> 00:56:22,200
wouldn't be raped labeled something else

1349
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:25,590
not why not just dated but but the whole

1350
00:56:28,550 --> 00:56:26,760
the whole thing struck us as

1351
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:28,560
preposterous and then we discover well

1352
00:56:32,330 --> 00:56:29,970
he said he stole a science fiction novel

1353
00:56:34,970 --> 00:56:32,340
oh well now we know he's trying to get

1354
00:56:36,590 --> 00:56:34,980
his face face on television his voice on

1355
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,600
the radio so he can sell some some

1356
00:56:41,090 --> 00:56:38,640
science fiction books and more power to

1357
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:41,100
him on that but his opinions on Roswell

1358
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:43,170
mean less than nothing to me is that

1359
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:45,090
like Annie Jacobson who wrote this area

1360
00:56:50,570 --> 00:56:47,400
51 book and she throws in a rose well

1361
00:56:52,550 --> 00:56:50,580
thing there just to get headlines get on

1362
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:52,560
TV interview shows and sell the book I

1363
00:56:58,460 --> 00:56:55,170
think so I think so cause Roswell sells

1364
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,470
and everybody knows it yeah yeah I would

1365
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:00,480
think a book about area 51 if she got

1366
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:02,130
the history of it right and was doing

1367
00:57:05,900 --> 00:57:03,540
all this other stuff I think that would

1368
00:57:07,850 --> 00:57:05,910
be a fascinating book but she talked to

1369
00:57:10,790 --> 00:57:07,860
this unidentified source who tells her

1370
00:57:12,260 --> 00:57:10,800
about the and and she doesn't even know

1371
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:12,270
enough of her in history to realize that

1372
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:14,940
Mengele and Stalin wouldn't be doing

1373
00:57:21,230 --> 00:57:18,330
anything together creating creating the

1374
00:57:24,110 --> 00:57:21,240
you know the mutant teenagers to fly the

1375
00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:24,120
UFOs so they basically don't have fact

1376
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:25,830
checkers at her publisher the other

1377
00:57:31,810 --> 00:57:27,570
thing to add by the way is supposedly

1378
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:31,820
she is a co-executive producer of a new

1379
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:37,650
AMC TV Network show about area 51 taking

1380
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,290
place in the 50s involving UFOs kind of

1381
00:57:45,740 --> 00:57:42,720
a modern-day variation of the dark sky

1382
00:57:47,390 --> 00:57:45,750
show that Bryce Abel did back in the 90s

1383
00:57:50,570 --> 00:57:47,400
well you know there was a science

1384
00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:50,580
fiction series 15 years ago called area

1385
00:57:57,590 --> 00:57:55,020
51 uh-huh which dealt with the UFOs and

1386
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,600
all of that stuff Stargate sg-1 on the

1387
00:58:03,170 --> 00:57:59,280
sci-fi channel started out in Showtime

1388
00:58:05,090 --> 00:58:03,180
oh sure it's in actually descended from

1389
00:58:06,860 --> 00:58:05,100
it descended from a movie from Rouen

1390
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:06,870
Emmerich and Dean Devlin who did

1391
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,480
Independence Day they came up with a TV

1392
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:11,760
variation of it Stargate sg-1 which went

1393
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,850
on 12 years Stargate came from the movie

1394
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:17,040
Stargate that's right Stargate that's

1395
00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:19,290
what I'm saying the movie with Kurt

1396
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Russell and James Spader this movie from

1397
00:58:25,009 --> 00:58:22,799
the 90

1398
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,019
then they made a TV show stargate sg1

1399
00:58:29,689 --> 00:58:27,599
which begat Stargate Atlantis and

1400
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,699
Stargate Universe which ended like a

1401
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:31,920
year or two ago so they got quite a bit

1402
00:58:37,009 --> 00:58:34,410
of mileage out of that in the Stargate

1403
00:58:40,009 --> 00:58:37,019
series they they're often over at area

1404
00:58:42,349 --> 00:58:40,019
51 with the area line technology is

1405
00:58:43,969 --> 00:58:42,359
stored you know not just in the Cheyenne

1406
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:43,979
Mountain complex but over they always

1407
00:58:50,499 --> 00:58:46,799
are going over to area 51 to goof around

1408
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:50,509
so I mean area 51 as a science fiction

1409
00:58:56,539 --> 00:58:53,640
device has been well mined in the last

1410
00:59:01,279 --> 00:58:56,549
20 years ok so there's always room for

1411
00:59:04,999 --> 00:59:01,289
area 51 it's part of the mythos yes and

1412
00:59:08,839 --> 00:59:05,009
if you claim you knew something you can

1413
00:59:10,429 --> 00:59:08,849
possibly get some headlines yes well

1414
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:10,439
it's the thing I've always been going to

1415
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,660
do is put on my uniform go to

1416
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:15,359
wright-patterson and have a film crew

1417
00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:17,670
with me and say yeah I just came from

1418
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:19,079
the building I saw the body what's the

1419
00:59:24,499 --> 00:59:22,079
big deal I was just in there I saw a man

1420
00:59:28,370 --> 00:59:24,509
go on just go on in there you can

1421
00:59:29,959 --> 00:59:28,380
definitely see the bodies with a camera

1422
00:59:31,809 --> 00:59:29,969
but I just came from in there and I saw

1423
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:31,819
him so and when you see them you'll see

1424
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:34,319
Philip course those fingerprints on the

1425
00:59:41,449 --> 00:59:38,160
coffin yes you will and you will find a

1426
00:59:44,479 --> 00:59:41,459
duplet chase Brandon box labeled Roswell

1427
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:44,489
so it's all there actually it's a

1428
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:54,059
warehouse 13 you guys channel 5 I get a

1429
00:59:59,329 --> 00:59:55,529
lot of sense as money for all the

1430
01:00:00,979 --> 00:59:59,339
programs of theirs we're promoting they

1431
01:00:02,989 --> 01:00:00,989
should send us a check as they have so

1432
01:00:05,449 --> 01:00:02,999
much the stuff I like the sci-fi channel

1433
01:00:07,189 --> 01:00:05,459
I have fun with their shows I don't take

1434
01:00:09,380 --> 01:00:07,199
him seriously but I certainly have fun

1435
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:09,390
with him oh I like Destination Truth I

1436
01:00:21,499 --> 01:00:18,359
think Josh let's talk about those people

1437
01:00:23,959 --> 01:00:21,509
who found an Air Force button at Roswell

1438
01:00:28,429 --> 01:00:23,969
New Mexico this kind of wacky TV show

1439
01:00:30,439 --> 01:00:28,439
called chasing UFOs from the National

1440
01:00:32,449 --> 01:00:30,449
Geographic Channel now let's understand

1441
01:00:35,179 --> 01:00:32,459
something here one of the participants

1442
01:00:36,470 --> 01:00:35,189
of the show James Fox our cast number of

1443
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:36,480
times he's since

1444
01:00:40,970 --> 01:00:38,730
gentleman he's done some pretty good

1445
01:00:43,660 --> 01:00:40,980
work with his own documentaries so he

1446
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:43,670
hooks up with this crew for chasing UFOs

1447
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:46,290
ouch now we've already spanked him a few

1448
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:49,530
times on the show our listeners have

1449
01:00:53,690 --> 01:00:51,930
spanked him in our forums I've talked to

1450
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,700
him on the phone and spanked him we've

1451
01:00:57,470 --> 01:00:55,280
had him on the show talking about

1452
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:57,480
chasing UFOs and he was a pretty good

1453
01:01:02,480 --> 01:00:58,890
guest he was very honest about what he

1454
01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:02,490
had to say so very briefly why do we get

1455
01:01:07,220 --> 01:01:04,800
shows like that who thinks that people

1456
01:01:09,500 --> 01:01:07,230
who might be interested in UFOs are

1457
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:09,510
gonna care about the worst possible

1458
01:01:14,660 --> 01:01:12,180
reality show well the one thing that you

1459
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,670
didn't point out is that aaron writer

1460
01:01:19,970 --> 01:01:17,040
was on Destination Truth with Josh gates

1461
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:19,980
I just happen to know this fact for no

1462
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:20,760
reason whatsoever

1463
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:23,520
I think josh is also an executive

1464
01:01:30,859 --> 01:01:27,090
producer on chasing UFOs as well and I

1465
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:30,869
think the thing is I think the net of

1466
01:01:35,450 --> 01:01:32,930
the network see the cable networks

1467
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:35,460
understand that UFOs will bring in

1468
01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:38,609
ratings for them and they're interested

1469
01:01:45,070 --> 01:01:42,359
in ratings I think that that button that

1470
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:45,080
they found was planted out there because

1471
01:01:50,660 --> 01:01:48,540
after after the show aired I found

1472
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:50,670
having been in the Air Force myself I

1473
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:52,170
found one of the buttons from up from a

1474
01:01:57,770 --> 01:01:55,770
uniform and it had been exposed to the

1475
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,780
air for 20 years and it was not in

1476
01:02:03,410 --> 01:02:00,240
nearly good shape as that button was

1477
01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:03,420
that they found when they found the

1478
01:02:07,430 --> 01:02:04,859
button I knew immediately it was

1479
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:07,440
irrelevant because in 19 Joule I of 1947

1480
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:09,540
the Air Force didn't exist so nobody

1481
01:02:13,940 --> 01:02:11,160
would have been out there to drop an Air

1482
01:02:15,830 --> 01:02:13,950
Force button in July of 1947 when they

1483
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,840
were retrieving the material the other

1484
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:17,280
problem they have it's a button off the

1485
01:02:20,359 --> 01:02:18,930
class a uniform and anybody with any

1486
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:20,369
military experience would have known

1487
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:22,050
that no one in a class a uniform would

1488
01:02:24,859 --> 01:02:23,040
have been out there crawling around

1489
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:24,869
picking up the stuff the guys would have

1490
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:26,850
been in fatigues or and we would say

1491
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:30,330
today our Army Combat Uniform ACU's what

1492
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:31,920
used to be be to use which is battle

1493
01:02:37,849 --> 01:02:34,050
dress uniform but what used to be

1494
01:02:39,530 --> 01:02:37,859
fatigues but the the button the button

1495
01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:39,540
was from a class a uniform they wouldn't

1496
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:40,920
been out there in a class a uniform so

1497
01:02:44,330 --> 01:02:42,900
the minute that it was picked up I the

1498
01:02:46,670 --> 01:02:44,340
minute I saw it on the program I knew

1499
01:02:48,530 --> 01:02:46,680
that this button was irrelevant it had

1500
01:02:50,330 --> 01:02:48,540
nothing to do with the Roswell case it

1501
01:02:52,610 --> 01:02:50,340
was it was obviously planted out there

1502
01:02:55,430 --> 01:02:52,620
by somebody and I don't know who planted

1503
01:02:57,890 --> 01:02:55,440
it out there I planted it there I have

1504
01:03:00,560 --> 01:02:57,900
my suspicions are we going to assume

1505
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:00,570
that maybe one of the advance people for

1506
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:03,570
this TV show did that I think that's

1507
01:03:09,020 --> 01:03:04,830
exactly what happened

1508
01:03:12,260 --> 01:03:09,030
I don't think is it Ben McGee and Jeff

1509
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:12,270
is a Jeff Fox James Fox James Fox James

1510
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:14,130
Fox or Erin Ryder I don't think they had

1511
01:03:16,610 --> 01:03:15,570
anything to do with the planning of the

1512
01:03:18,350 --> 01:03:16,620
button but I think the button was

1513
01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:18,360
planted out there you look at the bottom

1514
01:03:22,190 --> 01:03:19,830
its pristine it's supposedly laid out

1515
01:03:23,540 --> 01:03:22,200
there for 65 years and they pick up the

1516
01:03:25,610 --> 01:03:23,550
button it looks like something you could

1517
01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:25,620
sew on your uniform today not to mention

1518
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:27,750
the fact that you could go to any

1519
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:31,500
surplus store in the free world and find

1520
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:33,690
Air Force buttons to to take out there

1521
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:35,490
well maybe we're losing our buttons I

1522
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:37,500
don't know we have Kevin Randle with

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01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:14,110
the power cast we're focusing for a few

1629
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:17,290
months anyway chasing UFOs TV show still

1630
01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:18,850
playing on the National Geographic

1631
01:08:23,190 --> 01:08:20,980
Channel if you want to check it out or

1632
01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:23,200
maybe have a good laugh depending on

1633
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:25,270
your point of view now this button it

1634
01:08:29,820 --> 01:08:27,359
doesn't matter what the button was of

1635
01:08:33,020 --> 01:08:29,830
someone from the army that might be

1636
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:33,030
dated back to 1947 what does it prove

1637
01:08:37,140 --> 01:08:35,290
absolutely nothing except that somebody

1638
01:08:39,599 --> 01:08:37,150
from the army may have been there and

1639
01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:39,609
lost a button well with an Air Force but

1640
01:08:46,140 --> 01:08:42,070
I understand what it was but I'm saying

1641
01:08:48,710 --> 01:08:46,150
if it was from some other service what

1642
01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:48,720
some difference the button isn't you

1643
01:08:52,050 --> 01:08:50,920
pointed out the buttons are relevant it

1644
01:08:54,150 --> 01:08:52,060
doesn't prove anything

1645
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:54,160
and I don't know how many people have

1646
01:08:59,190 --> 01:08:56,770
been across those fields in the last

1647
01:09:00,780 --> 01:08:59,200
twenty years since they were first

1648
01:09:04,290 --> 01:09:00,790
identified I think what happened was

1649
01:09:06,570 --> 01:09:04,300
somebody knew about Frank Kimber Frank

1650
01:09:09,870 --> 01:09:06,580
Kimber is a geologist who teaches in

1651
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:09,880
Roswell and he has been out to the

1652
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:12,310
debris field a number of times and he's

1653
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:14,530
found he's found some buttons off

1654
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:16,690
fatigues but I don't think anybody with

1655
01:09:19,860 --> 01:09:18,550
the TV show knew what that meant so they

1656
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:19,870
went out and found an Air Force button

1657
01:09:23,460 --> 01:09:21,850
to drop out there the thing that kind of

1658
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:23,470
annoyed me about that is nobody know

1659
01:09:28,110 --> 01:09:24,850
where this place was if it hadn't been

1660
01:09:28,980 --> 01:09:28,120
for me and I got I got bill Brazel to

1661
01:09:30,750 --> 01:09:28,990
take us out there

1662
01:09:32,940 --> 01:09:30,760
the bill Brazel took Don Schmidt and me

1663
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:32,950
out there so we know where this place is

1664
01:09:37,290 --> 01:09:34,630
because bill Brazel took us there and in

1665
01:09:38,370 --> 01:09:37,300
in the last year so people said well you

1666
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:38,380
guys have the wrong place

1667
01:09:43,530 --> 01:09:41,920
and so I published the picture of Don

1668
01:09:45,660 --> 01:09:43,540
Schmidt standing with Bill Brazel on his

1669
01:09:47,849 --> 01:09:45,670
pickup truck where Bill Brazel saying

1670
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:47,859
yeah little bits of I found where right

1671
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:50,290
around here I think bill Brazel took us

1672
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:51,970
there I can't find a better source than

1673
01:09:58,500 --> 01:09:56,590
that so we know it was Frank knew where

1674
01:10:00,240 --> 01:09:58,510
it was because International UFO museum

1675
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:00,250
told him where it was they knew where it

1676
01:10:03,390 --> 01:10:00,730
was

1677
01:10:04,979 --> 01:10:03,400
because Don Schmidt told them where it

1678
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:04,989
was and Dodge Mint knew where it was

1679
01:10:08,610 --> 01:10:06,790
because I got bill Bradfield fakers both

1680
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:08,620
out there but you see you have to look

1681
01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:10,930
at the thing here - this looks like the

1682
01:10:16,740 --> 01:10:13,780
really cheap way to make a TV show where

1683
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:16,750
you go into a place and you look for

1684
01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:18,610
something anything and you say gosh

1685
01:10:22,590 --> 01:10:21,070
golly gee whiz we saw something but it

1686
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:22,600
has to be done at night so you have the

1687
01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:24,430
night vision it's kind of like this

1688
01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:26,470
paranormal activity or Blair Witch

1689
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:29,350
Project kind of taking pictures you call

1690
01:10:35,550 --> 01:10:32,890
found-footage these rough rushed fuzzy

1691
01:10:37,410 --> 01:10:35,560
hand-held cameras it gets very annoying

1692
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:37,420
real fast in fact there was a TV show on

1693
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:40,239
I think last year on ABC where they have

1694
01:10:44,850 --> 01:10:41,890
this same kind of motif from the

1695
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:44,860
producers of paranormal activity and the

1696
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:46,210
thing lasted you know just a few weeks

1697
01:10:51,510 --> 01:10:48,310
before people gave up on it I think that

1698
01:10:53,490 --> 01:10:51,520
technique grows real old real fast but

1699
01:10:56,250 --> 01:10:53,500
the question I would have in general and

1700
01:10:59,670 --> 01:10:56,260
I hope let's just say this honestly I

1701
01:11:01,710 --> 01:10:59,680
hope the James Fox does succeed in if

1702
01:11:04,350 --> 01:11:01,720
there's a second season for chasing UFOs

1703
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:04,360
finding a way to do it better to improve

1704
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:07,210
it to provide a decent level of

1705
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:09,489
scholarship research and then make an

1706
01:11:13,410 --> 01:11:11,170
entertaining presentation not just a

1707
01:11:15,780 --> 01:11:13,420
cheap out I just saw the episode

1708
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,790
yesterday again and I watched the ending

1709
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:17,440
when they find the button and all of

1710
01:11:21,990 --> 01:11:19,810
that nonsense very very carefully James

1711
01:11:22,710 --> 01:11:22,000
Fox may be a wonderful guy but he's

1712
01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:22,720
right there

1713
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:24,820
playing his role as they find the

1714
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:26,890
buttons yeah wow this is great I know

1715
01:11:30,750 --> 01:11:29,170
I'm getting chills I'm getting chills up

1716
01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:30,760
and down my spine this is great this is

1717
01:11:34,890 --> 01:11:32,830
amazing we found something important I

1718
01:11:35,310 --> 01:11:34,900
found a button that shouldn't have been

1719
01:11:37,410 --> 01:11:35,320
there

1720
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,420
and and has nothing to do with the UFO

1721
01:11:42,150 --> 01:11:39,760
crash he's being hired as an actor

1722
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,160
that's exactly if they did and it was

1723
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:44,080
bad acting too by the way no no offense

1724
01:11:47,729 --> 01:11:46,150
James buddy what the Acne wasn't very

1725
01:11:49,979 --> 01:11:47,739
good and then you know they've got that

1726
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:49,989
stupid footage from the missile crash at

1727
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:52,810
White Sands right and you know this has

1728
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,250
been around the internet for what 15

1729
01:11:57,780 --> 01:11:56,560
years they're saying well we talked to

1730
01:11:59,220 --> 01:11:57,790
our missile guy Nina this couldn't

1731
01:12:01,770 --> 01:11:59,230
possibly be a missile yeah would you

1732
01:12:03,150 --> 01:12:01,780
like to know what test it's from if you

1733
01:12:04,710 --> 01:12:03,160
checked with white sands they'd tell you

1734
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:04,720
exactly what test it was for them

1735
01:12:09,630 --> 01:12:06,970
because they know what the footage is

1736
01:12:11,250 --> 01:12:09,640
and now we get we get on their their

1737
01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:11,260
blogs and whatnot saying well you know

1738
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:12,910
yeah we kind of blew it on this one and

1739
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:14,650
we really don't want to do this

1740
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,210
sort of thing yeah well you did that

1741
01:12:19,979 --> 01:12:17,920
sort of thing and you got caught up in

1742
01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:19,989
the moment in it and it does it's all of

1743
01:12:23,340 --> 01:12:21,340
this service because it makes us all

1744
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:23,350
look like a bunch of idiots do you think

1745
01:12:27,930 --> 01:12:25,120
there was a self-serving blog entry then

1746
01:12:29,850 --> 01:12:27,940
I think so I think the the Roswell one

1747
01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:29,860
really annoyed a lot of people I mean I

1748
01:12:34,020 --> 01:12:31,780
even put a blog entry on there that

1749
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:34,030
talked about you know the button being

1750
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:36,130
from the Air Force and it shouldn't have

1751
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,010
been my my entry on my blog was dated to

1752
01:12:44,430 --> 01:12:41,199
two days before their blog entry I said

1753
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:44,440
both McGee and Fox females have never

1754
01:12:47,790 --> 01:12:45,610
heard back from him but they probably

1755
01:12:48,890 --> 01:12:47,800
got eight billion email so I really

1756
01:12:51,180 --> 01:12:48,900
didn't expect to hear from them

1757
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:51,190
expressing my dissatisfaction with it

1758
01:12:54,510 --> 01:12:52,690
what's wrong and then suddenly we get

1759
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:54,520
this well you know uh you know we have

1760
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:56,050
these problems and we were doing this

1761
01:12:59,459 --> 01:12:57,760
and you know really disappointed in that

1762
01:13:01,560 --> 01:12:59,469
and I'm thinking yeah it's very

1763
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:01,570
self-serving it's exactly self-serving

1764
01:13:07,169 --> 01:13:04,330
I've gotta chime in here too they did

1765
01:13:10,020 --> 01:13:07,179
eight I think the third or fourth show

1766
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,030
touted the San Luis Valley as as being

1767
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:12,159
this hot spot and then they covered all

1768
01:13:16,620 --> 01:13:14,530
these cases that weren't even close to

1769
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:16,630
the valley and kind of the insinuation

1770
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:18,370
was that these cases were from the

1771
01:13:24,870 --> 01:13:21,330
valley and that to me is that's almost

1772
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,880
going over the line into dishonesty I'm

1773
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:26,800
using a the name of a place and then not

1774
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:28,690
even doing anything there to me that's

1775
01:13:35,100 --> 01:13:32,650
that's quite self-serving yeah say a

1776
01:13:36,899 --> 01:13:35,110
real live news organization using rocket

1777
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:36,909
igniter motors to prove this I saddle

1778
01:13:41,220 --> 01:13:39,489
battle gas tanks on pickup trucks will

1779
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:41,230
explode but they couldn't get it to do

1780
01:13:45,390 --> 01:13:42,850
it so they used rocket igniters to make

1781
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:45,400
sure it exploded in a spectacular way I

1782
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:47,890
won't mention the network NBC did this a

1783
01:13:52,260 --> 01:13:49,570
number of years ago we shouldn't mention

1784
01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:52,270
NBC NBC well I I don't want to make an

1785
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:54,280
NBC but no I don't know why we talk

1786
01:13:59,160 --> 01:13:56,050
about NBC because they've had problems

1787
01:14:01,439 --> 01:13:59,170
but the whole point is you're lessening

1788
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:01,449
people's belief in what what they're

1789
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:02,890
seeing on television one is supposed to

1790
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:05,199
be news now we have documentaries and

1791
01:14:11,130 --> 01:14:09,010
it's I get that the the producers of the

1792
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:11,140
documentary sometimes have their own

1793
01:14:15,209 --> 01:14:13,690
agenda and it comes through on the

1794
01:14:18,270 --> 01:14:15,219
documentary and if I'm making a

1795
01:14:20,850 --> 01:14:18,280
documentary then my agenda may come may

1796
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:20,860
come through or in the documentary but

1797
01:14:25,020 --> 01:14:23,350
by the same token is this chasing UFO is

1798
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:25,030
it is just preposterous they find a

1799
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:27,130
piece of tin in the Roswell debris field

1800
01:14:30,570 --> 01:14:28,570
they get excited about that

1801
01:14:32,190 --> 01:14:30,580
it's a piece of tin for God's sakes and

1802
01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:32,200
then they get back at me and analyst as

1803
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:34,450
well this is from a tin can really poor

1804
01:14:39,630 --> 01:14:36,310
but they're talking about well it's very

1805
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:39,640
desolate out here yeah but that place

1806
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:41,260
has been identified for twenty years and

1807
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:42,910
it's a working ranch so people have been

1808
01:14:47,370 --> 01:14:45,330
around there there's been at least two

1809
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:47,380
archaeological expeditions out to that

1810
01:14:50,460 --> 01:14:48,970
place where they were now I know I'm the

1811
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:50,470
one that I was involved in we were very

1812
01:14:55,380 --> 01:14:53,770
careful not to leave stuff behind which

1813
01:14:56,670 --> 01:14:55,390
is not to say we didn't drop something

1814
01:14:58,110 --> 01:14:56,680
to leave something behind but we tried

1815
01:15:00,210 --> 01:14:58,120
to make sure we picked up everything

1816
01:15:01,650 --> 01:15:00,220
that we took him there there's been that

1817
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:01,660
there's been lots of people traipsing

1818
01:15:05,730 --> 01:15:03,730
around that area in the last 20 years

1819
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:05,740
the the coordinates were published in

1820
01:15:10,050 --> 01:15:08,290
the mutant journal once at least once

1821
01:15:11,670 --> 01:15:10,060
that I know of and I think if you google

1822
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:11,680
earthy you can find you can find the

1823
01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:13,810
coordinates on Google Earth now so

1824
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:15,100
there's been a lot of people out there

1825
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:16,810
so the fact you found an old rusted tin

1826
01:15:20,970 --> 01:15:19,150
can is really irrelevant this is a crime

1827
01:15:24,450 --> 01:15:20,980
scene that has been contaminated to a

1828
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:24,460
fare-thee-well yes yes in fact I know

1829
01:15:28,590 --> 01:15:26,050
people have been scattering metal out

1830
01:15:30,990 --> 01:15:28,600
there to trip up people with their metal

1831
01:15:32,550 --> 01:15:31,000
detectors I know that for a fact and I

1832
01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:32,560
and I'm and I'm almost positive that

1833
01:15:37,230 --> 01:15:34,840
button was planted out there so

1834
01:15:39,780 --> 01:15:37,240
basically speaking here it's really

1835
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,790
difficult in terms of the original site

1836
01:15:43,170 --> 01:15:41,920
probably impossible at this point to do

1837
01:15:46,620 --> 01:15:43,180
anything in terms of getting any

1838
01:15:49,170 --> 01:15:46,630
information or am I wrong there there

1839
01:15:51,900 --> 01:15:49,180
may be something there when we were

1840
01:15:54,270 --> 01:15:51,910
talking to people back back in the early

1841
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:54,280
1990s about that they would talk about

1842
01:15:58,680 --> 01:15:56,500
the prevailing winds through there and

1843
01:16:01,470 --> 01:15:58,690
the metal being so light weight that it

1844
01:16:02,940 --> 01:16:01,480
was it would stir in the wind and and a

1845
01:16:04,230 --> 01:16:02,950
couple of them said you know you really

1846
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,240
shouldn't be looking here you should be

1847
01:16:08,370 --> 01:16:06,640
looking in West Texas now because this

1848
01:16:11,490 --> 01:16:08,380
stuff would have blown off off the

1849
01:16:14,130 --> 01:16:11,500
debris fields and into Texas by it by

1850
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:14,140
this time but there's the possibility I

1851
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:15,550
know that one of the things you do

1852
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:17,530
archaeologically speaking as you try to

1853
01:16:22,740 --> 01:16:20,890
find plants that are in this case now 65

1854
01:16:24,690 --> 01:16:22,750
years old to to look at the roots around

1855
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:24,700
them to see things been embedded in

1856
01:16:30,330 --> 01:16:28,570
their plants and the soil and all this

1857
01:16:32,820 --> 01:16:30,340
other stuff at Roswell we have Kevin

1858
01:16:38,020 --> 01:16:32,830
Randle with gene and Chris you're in the

1859
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:41,630
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1860
01:16:49,550 --> 01:16:44,820
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raise prices too now is the time to get

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/ Alex you can bet your life on these

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foods direct my name is Bruno I'm 52

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years old I've tried different protein

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powders over the years and they've all

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tasted pretty bad I tried one road way

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and found it to be delicious after 10

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weeks on one world way my wife commented

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you have more muscles and you're leaner

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than when you were 20 years old my body

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has changed dramatically I'm a cyclist

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normally I'll ride two days on and take

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2 days off after being on OneWorld way I

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wrote 10 days in a row and over 100

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degree heat and then I take another two

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servings of one world away and then

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workout at the gym for another hour and

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a half I just couldn't believe these

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results my normal muscle tightness and

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soreness after working out are virtually

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God don't take my word for it one

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railway comes in single servings just

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give it a try for a health and taste

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sensation you'll love call eight eight

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five that's eight eight eight nine eight

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eight three three two five that's eight

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eight eight nine eight eight three three

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two five or visit one world wacom that's

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one world wh ey calm we've all heard the

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phrase don't judge a book by it's cover

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hawai saying for sure

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now apply that wisdom to nutrition don't

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judge milk by the animal camel-milk

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to other milk camel milk has

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antibacterial antiviral and anti-israel

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moons and is three times higher in

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vitamin C than cow's milk ten times

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higher in iron plus it contains 52 units

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of insulin like proteins per liter

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effectively lowering blood sugar levels

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many of our members testified that

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drinking camel milk reverse diabetes and

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greatly improved autism camel milk comes

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fresh or frozen from your trusted local

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family farm shipped on dry ice to

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preserve freshness go to camel milk for

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sale calm now and look under products

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and pricing for the summer special with

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free bonus points that's camel milk for

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sale calm this is leslie cain and i'm

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with the coalition for freedom of

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01:21:01,549 --> 01:20:57,809
information and you are listening to the

1967
01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:01,559
podcast back with Kevin Randle we're

1968
01:21:06,529 --> 01:21:04,860
focusing for bit more on Roswell and you

1969
01:21:09,049 --> 01:21:06,539
were talking about the things you do at

1970
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:09,059
the site check the plants check the

1971
01:21:12,799 --> 01:21:11,610
roots check the soil and check the

1972
01:21:16,129 --> 01:21:12,809
rodent burrows

1973
01:21:18,020 --> 01:21:16,139
because you know pack rats take shiny

1974
01:21:20,719 --> 01:21:18,030
objects down into their burrows so you

1975
01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:20,729
know you look for that sort of thing but

1976
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:23,400
you know the odds of finding something

1977
01:21:28,969 --> 01:21:25,920
at this late date or pretty remote

1978
01:21:32,060 --> 01:21:28,979
I mean we're 65 years later so so the

1979
01:21:33,739 --> 01:21:32,070
point is it just reviewing and re

1980
01:21:35,509 --> 01:21:33,749
reviewing the current evidence and

1981
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:35,519
hoping we get some more information I'm

1982
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:37,440
going back to your Roswell dream team

1983
01:21:41,810 --> 01:21:39,449
and tell my listeners who haven't tuned

1984
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:41,820
in lately about this who is part of this

1985
01:21:48,859 --> 01:21:44,249
team we call the dream team you don't so

1986
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:48,869
let's leave it at that - the idea was to

1987
01:21:54,739 --> 01:21:50,820
reexamine the Roswell case as a cold

1988
01:21:56,270 --> 01:21:54,749
case look at everything and begin at the

1989
01:21:59,120 --> 01:21:56,280
beginning and see what we could we could

1990
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:59,130
turn up and just the other day the Frank

1991
01:22:03,770 --> 01:22:01,199
Joyce who was a radio announcer in

1992
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:03,780
Roswell in 1947 when this broke he

1993
01:22:06,859 --> 01:22:05,130
talked to Mac Brazel the guy that

1994
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:06,869
discovered it and he had saved some

1995
01:22:11,629 --> 01:22:09,090
teletype messages from that from that

1996
01:22:12,919 --> 01:22:11,639
era he didn't say the the all of them

1997
01:22:14,989 --> 01:22:12,929
but he saved managed to save some of

1998
01:22:16,759 --> 01:22:14,999
them and one of them talked about is

1999
01:22:19,069 --> 01:22:16,769
this the same ranch where there's a big

2000
01:22:20,569 --> 01:22:19,079
hullabaloo last week and we've always

2001
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:20,579
wondered about that what is that talking

2002
01:22:25,339 --> 01:22:23,130
about well in the last week we've been

2003
01:22:26,810 --> 01:22:25,349
able to identify that that apparently is

2004
01:22:29,060 --> 01:22:26,820
a case it was published in the

2005
01:22:30,379 --> 01:22:29,070
Albuquerque Journal on June 30th so it

2006
01:22:33,469 --> 01:22:30,389
has nothing to do with Roswell

2007
01:22:35,299 --> 01:22:33,479
June 30th and it was from little tiny

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01:22:37,850 --> 01:22:35,309
cliffs New Mexico which is down in the

2009
01:22:40,370 --> 01:22:37,860
southwestern corner of New Mexico near

2010
01:22:41,870 --> 01:22:40,380
Lordsburg that area so we've been able

2011
01:22:43,489 --> 01:22:41,880
to identify the ranch where the big

2012
01:22:46,459 --> 01:22:43,499
Hollow blue was last week

2013
01:22:50,739 --> 01:22:46,469
so by looking at all the material as a

2014
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:50,749
cold case reviewing the transcripts of

2015
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:53,280
the interviews with people

2016
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:54,719
and looking at all of this we've been

2017
01:22:59,060 --> 01:22:57,360
able to identify some things that did

2018
01:23:01,660 --> 01:22:59,070
help us understand the case a little bit

2019
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:01,670
better but what this was is Tom Kerry

2020
01:23:09,170 --> 01:23:05,910
who wrote witness to Roswell approached

2021
01:23:10,970 --> 01:23:09,180
me and said he wanted to take the

2022
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:10,980
ultimate look at the Roswell case he

2023
01:23:14,810 --> 01:23:13,170
wanted to reexamine the evidence and and

2024
01:23:17,209 --> 01:23:14,820
produce what he thought of as the

2025
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:17,219
ultimate book anyone know if I would

2026
01:23:21,229 --> 01:23:18,930
like to participate in that and I said

2027
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:21,239
yeah that sounds like a good idea and

2028
01:23:29,959 --> 01:23:25,770
then he asked Don net to be involved and

2029
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:29,969
we invited Tony Gregg glia to

2030
01:23:35,689 --> 01:23:32,850
participate because he he'd been very

2031
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:35,699
helpful in finding witnesses and

2032
01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:38,010
providing some additional information we

2033
01:23:43,070 --> 01:23:41,640
talked to David rudy asked dr. rudi act

2034
01:23:44,830 --> 01:23:43,080
because he had been doing an awful lot

2035
01:23:47,510 --> 01:23:44,840
of work on the Ramey memo this is the

2036
01:23:49,340 --> 01:23:47,520
photograph of Ramey in his office on

2037
01:23:50,810 --> 01:23:49,350
July 8th would the debris on the floor

2038
01:23:52,220 --> 01:23:50,820
above the weather balloon debris on the

2039
01:23:55,310 --> 01:23:52,230
floor but he's holding a document his

2040
01:23:57,500 --> 01:23:55,320
hand and blow-ups of that show that you

2041
01:23:59,360 --> 01:23:57,510
can read parts of it so he's been

2042
01:24:01,670 --> 01:23:59,370
attempting to read exactly what that

2043
01:24:03,170 --> 01:24:01,680
memo says for any number of years and

2044
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:03,180
coming to some conclusions about what

2045
01:24:06,500 --> 01:24:04,260
that said we thought that would be

2046
01:24:09,020 --> 01:24:06,510
important to have and then we we asked

2047
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:09,030
Chris Markowski to join us as sort of

2048
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:11,250
our resident skeptic on this so we'd run

2049
01:24:14,570 --> 01:24:13,170
stuff by him and say you know what do

2050
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:14,580
you what do you think of this or what as

2051
01:24:19,610 --> 01:24:16,920
a resident skeptic what would you like

2052
01:24:21,229 --> 01:24:19,620
us to produce in the way of evidence so

2053
01:24:23,180 --> 01:24:21,239
we're we're trying to look at all of

2054
01:24:25,160 --> 01:24:23,190
that and that the penis is astonished to

2055
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:25,170
me in the last couple of weeks is the

2056
01:24:29,630 --> 01:24:27,330
the documentation we've been able to

2057
01:24:32,510 --> 01:24:29,640
find that relates to a part of it is

2058
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:32,520
like the teletype messages that Frank

2059
01:24:36,770 --> 01:24:34,710
Joyce had and there's an FBI couple of

2060
01:24:38,540 --> 01:24:36,780
FBI documents that are relevant we found

2061
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:38,550
some other stuff that is kind of

2062
01:24:41,660 --> 01:24:39,930
interesting so we've we've been able to

2063
01:24:44,290 --> 01:24:41,670
assemble some documentation limited

2064
01:24:47,229 --> 01:24:44,300
though it is and and so we're

2065
01:24:50,420 --> 01:24:47,239
approaching this as a cold case and

2066
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:50,430
attempting to review everything to see

2067
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:52,739
what might appear in there that would be

2068
01:24:56,630 --> 01:24:54,900
that somebody else might have found or

2069
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:56,640
we might have overlooked as we were

2070
01:25:00,410 --> 01:24:58,170
dealing all those information it might

2071
01:25:02,689 --> 01:25:00,420
might give us a better clue and provide

2072
01:25:04,189 --> 01:25:02,699
us with some information kind of like

2073
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:04,199
you don't want to have tunnel vision

2074
01:25:06,740 --> 01:25:06,060
here you're trying to look back at the

2075
01:25:08,750 --> 01:25:06,750
evidence

2076
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,760
as a totality and see where you're going

2077
01:25:13,190 --> 01:25:11,520
and where you can go yes yes look at

2078
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:13,200
look at everything I mean cuz there's a

2079
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:15,210
lot of stuff going on you've got John

2080
01:25:18,530 --> 01:25:17,250
keels balloon bomb nonsense that came

2081
01:25:20,180 --> 01:25:18,540
out in the night of the early 1990s

2082
01:25:21,710 --> 01:25:20,190
where he thought that what they found

2083
01:25:24,740 --> 01:25:21,720
was the remains of a Japanese balloon

2084
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:24,750
bomb well given what we know about that

2085
01:25:28,250 --> 01:25:26,760
yeah probably not because it would have

2086
01:25:31,340 --> 01:25:28,260
had to lay around in the desert for two

2087
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:31,350
years and the location where this debris

2088
01:25:37,700 --> 01:25:34,530
was found was a place that they visited

2089
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:37,710
every other day at a minimum they were

2090
01:25:41,060 --> 01:25:39,330
there they were there frequently given

2091
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:41,070
the the way the ranch worked and where

2092
01:25:45,260 --> 01:25:43,650
the water sources were so a balloon bomb

2093
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:45,270
doesn't make any sense in that respect

2094
01:25:50,030 --> 01:25:47,250
but look at all of this stuff look at we

2095
01:25:52,490 --> 01:25:50,040
tried to find if no domes notices the

2096
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:52,500
Airmen that are published daily by the

2097
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:54,480
at the time we were in the CIA now the

2098
01:26:00,590 --> 01:25:57,360
FAA about about things that are relevant

2099
01:26:02,540 --> 01:26:00,600
to pilots flying in and out of airports

2100
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:02,550
it might be something as dumb as runway

2101
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:04,110
such-and-such will be closed for two

2102
01:26:10,490 --> 01:26:08,010
weeks for repairs or the trees at the

2103
01:26:11,660 --> 01:26:10,500
end of the runway are now an obstruction

2104
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:11,670
type of thing you know things that you

2105
01:26:17,210 --> 01:26:14,250
need to say project mogul was required

2106
01:26:20,180 --> 01:26:17,220
to make no Tom's because they thought

2107
01:26:23,210 --> 01:26:20,190
these big long arrays of balloons would

2108
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:23,220
be a hazard to aerial navigation so they

2109
01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:24,810
were required to turn the information in

2110
01:26:27,650 --> 01:26:26,280
to the FAA so we spent a lot of time

2111
01:26:29,450 --> 01:26:27,660
looking for modems to see if we could

2112
01:26:31,010 --> 01:26:29,460
find an Odom that a would tell us how

2113
01:26:32,810 --> 01:26:31,020
they described the balloons themselves

2114
01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:32,820
and B give us some more information on

2115
01:26:37,130 --> 01:26:34,620
the flights that would help us

2116
01:26:39,650 --> 01:26:37,140
understand whether or not mogul could be

2117
01:26:41,060 --> 01:26:39,660
an explanation for the Roswell case so

2118
01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:41,070
we were looking we're trying to look at

2119
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:44,040
all of that sort of thing we found we

2120
01:26:47,980 --> 01:26:45,540
talked to a lot of people who hadn't

2121
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:47,990
been interviewed before surprisingly

2122
01:26:52,970 --> 01:26:50,850
most of them that we're finding in

2123
01:26:54,710 --> 01:26:52,980
today's environment are telling us well

2124
01:26:56,720 --> 01:26:54,720
I wasn't directly involved you know my

2125
01:26:57,860 --> 01:26:56,730
friends they came back to the barracks

2126
01:27:01,160 --> 01:26:57,870
one night and they were kind of talking

2127
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:01,170
about this talk to an MP who said that

2128
01:27:04,250 --> 01:27:03,210
his he wasn't involved but his friends

2129
01:27:05,780 --> 01:27:04,260
had come back and we're talking about

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01:27:06,770 --> 01:27:05,790
this flying saucer and he didn't believe

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01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:06,780
him until he saw the thing in the

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01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:08,730
newspaper the next day so it gives us an

2133
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:11,120
idea of when when they were out there

2134
01:27:17,570 --> 01:27:14,370
you know it kind of frames the time for

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01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:17,580
us we can look at all of that sort of

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01:27:20,540 --> 01:27:19,170
thing and see what see what we can learn

2137
01:27:21,919 --> 01:27:20,550
now looking at the

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01:27:23,180 --> 01:27:21,929
a picture how long do you think it's

2139
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:23,190
going to take to go through all this

2140
01:27:28,609 --> 01:27:26,280
evidence we've been working on it since

2141
01:27:33,379 --> 01:27:28,619
last summer and we're still working on

2142
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:33,389
it so what I find is we're beginning a

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01:27:38,620 --> 01:27:36,210
process of writing some of this stuff

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01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:38,630
down and in that process it's helping us

2145
01:27:43,729 --> 01:27:41,940
to visualize it a little bit better it's

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01:27:46,700 --> 01:27:43,739
helping us organize the material better

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01:27:48,220 --> 01:27:46,710
so we can look at a specific problem and

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01:27:51,379 --> 01:27:48,230
then begin to pull the sources together

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01:27:53,330 --> 01:27:51,389
for that particular problem and review

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01:27:56,649 --> 01:27:53,340
all of the stuff so I would you know I

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01:27:59,120 --> 01:27:56,659
was rereading the the transcripts that

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01:28:01,040 --> 01:27:59,130
Sheridan Cavitt had gave not only to

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01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:01,050
Colonel Weaver when he interviewed him

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01:28:05,180 --> 01:28:03,510
but the stuff being the transcripts that

2155
01:28:07,939 --> 01:28:05,190
I have of the interviews of Don Schmidt

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01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:07,949
and I had with with Cavett at the same

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01:28:13,430 --> 01:28:10,380
time and and we can you know we find we

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01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:13,440
find cabbages lied to us all the time he

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01:28:19,549 --> 01:28:15,090
and Weaver clearly sat down and

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01:28:21,260 --> 01:28:19,559
discussed how they were going to work

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01:28:23,390 --> 01:28:21,270
through the interview because there's

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01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:23,400
points where there's a next logical

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01:28:29,780 --> 01:28:25,050
question it's never asked and one of the

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01:28:31,879 --> 01:28:29,790
points is Weaver Weaver asked him about

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01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:31,889
the balloons and Cavett says I recognize

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01:28:35,839 --> 01:28:34,290
it as a balloon the moment I saw it the

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01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:35,849
next logical question should have been

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01:28:38,990 --> 01:28:37,290
well did you mention that to Jesse

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01:28:40,700 --> 01:28:39,000
Marcel who's on the field with you but

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01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:40,710
the next the next question is something

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01:28:44,540 --> 01:28:42,690
else they just they just gloss over the

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01:28:46,129 --> 01:28:44,550
fact that Cavett who apparently

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01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:46,139
recognized it immediately as a balloon

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01:28:53,410 --> 01:28:49,290
didn't bother to tell Marcel and didn't

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01:28:58,430 --> 01:28:53,420
bother to tell Blanchard what it was

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01:29:00,830 --> 01:28:58,440
that doesn't make much sense Reed

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01:29:02,689 --> 01:29:00,840
Weaver's interview with him and and so

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01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:02,699
clearly they're there they were working

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01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:05,520
from a script we've been trying I've

2180
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:08,250
been trying since the mid-1990s when the

2181
01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:10,610
air force came out with their ludicrous

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01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:13,860
explanations for Roswell through FOIA to

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01:29:17,959 --> 01:29:16,170
get documentation about how all of this

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01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:17,969
transpired and I have had no luck in

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01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:20,250
doing it the best we've done is we were

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01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,920
able to get see I was able to go through

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01:29:26,540 --> 01:29:24,480
the documents that they had sent to the

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01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,550
National Archives that were the

2189
01:29:30,950 --> 01:29:28,320
consequence of their investigations that

2190
01:29:33,020 --> 01:29:30,960
include such things as at the

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01:29:33,979 --> 01:29:33,030
court-martial of a doctor who was having

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01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:33,989
an affair with a nurse

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01:29:38,810 --> 01:29:37,260
in 1957 and and they weren't very clever

2194
01:29:41,390 --> 01:29:38,820
about what they were doing it would take

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01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:41,400
his car one day and go to or one weekend

2196
01:29:45,620 --> 01:29:44,400
and go to a hotel in in El Paso and the

2197
01:29:47,750 --> 01:29:45,630
next week they would go to the same

2198
01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:47,760
hotel in El Paso using her car so you

2199
01:29:51,500 --> 01:29:49,380
can link them together that way and

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01:29:54,979 --> 01:29:51,510
there were three three alleged

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01:29:58,250 --> 01:29:54,989
pornographic pictures in the file and it

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01:30:00,890 --> 01:29:58,260
was basically you know you see you see

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01:30:03,529 --> 01:30:00,900
much better pictures in Penthouse and

2204
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:03,539
playboy in today's environment but this

2205
01:30:06,770 --> 01:30:05,280
document was irrelevant that's one of

2206
01:30:09,399 --> 01:30:06,780
the things that they gathered in their

2207
01:30:13,729 --> 01:30:09,409
Roswell investigation was this this

2208
01:30:14,509 --> 01:30:13,739
affair from 1957 that doesn't make much

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01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:14,519
sense either

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01:30:17,509 --> 01:30:16,050
and you get a lot of irrelevant stuff

2211
01:30:20,779 --> 01:30:17,519
and you try to get the relevant stuff

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01:30:23,359 --> 01:30:20,789
I'm gonna ask in our next segment Kevin

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before we move to other subjects just

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what form you expect to present your

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you'll miss reading and this new to the

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paragraph captain Randall is joining us

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once again the show is the para cast

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with Jean Steinberg and Chris O'Brien

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and Kevin's blog is a different

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perspective at Kevin Randall on spot

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comm we'll have a link over at the para

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cast Tom okay so whenever it happens on

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obviously you're immersed in a lot of

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work here how do you intend to present

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your findings you're gonna write a book

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about it or write a writ we're hoping

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well yeah we're hoping to do a book that

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will be heavily footnoted

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so that all the information that we

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present others others can see where it

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came from how we how we divine this

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information where where it came from and

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I know in the past some of them some of

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the footnotes in UFO books and some of

2336
01:35:50,850 --> 01:35:48,210
them in mine have been somewhat circular

2337
01:35:52,410 --> 01:35:50,860
meaning it just really doesn't go

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01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:52,420
anywhere and we're hoping to alleviate

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01:35:57,150 --> 01:35:55,210
that by by making it very clear how the

2340
01:35:59,160 --> 01:35:57,160
information was gathered why we think

2341
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this isn't true and how we how we've

2342
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:02,080
attempted to corroborate it and that

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01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:03,280
sort of thing so we're hoping to publish

2344
01:36:10,350 --> 01:36:06,250
our findings when we really get to that

2345
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:10,360
point and and look at all aspects of the

2346
01:36:15,900 --> 01:36:13,930
Roswell case from not only the

2347
01:36:17,670 --> 01:36:15,910
information we got from Bill Browns over

2348
01:36:19,860 --> 01:36:17,680
the son of the man who found it up

2349
01:36:22,830 --> 01:36:19,870
through the mj-12 documents you know

2350
01:36:25,860 --> 01:36:22,840
they may or may not be relevant to

2351
01:36:28,770 --> 01:36:25,870
Roswell and and the other thing which we

2352
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:28,780
probably will not cover is the alien

2353
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:31,600
autopsy which was this the thing that

2354
01:36:35,700 --> 01:36:34,150
came out in the mid-1970s which I think

2355
01:36:38,970 --> 01:36:35,710
practically everybody involved in it is

2356
01:36:41,550 --> 01:36:38,980
now said it was a hoax yeah and so III

2357
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:41,560
think that that and it's really not

2358
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:43,090
about laws well anyway because the

2359
01:36:46,410 --> 01:36:44,530
bodies were supposedly picked up in

2360
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:46,420
somewhere else in New Mexico and all

2361
01:36:50,030 --> 01:36:48,310
sorts of things so I'm thinking that's

2362
01:36:53,070 --> 01:36:50,040
probably not something we're going to

2363
01:36:54,690 --> 01:36:53,080
discuss well given that that kind of

2364
01:36:56,930 --> 01:36:54,700
leads to a question from one of our

2365
01:37:00,180 --> 01:36:56,940
forum posters Blowfish who's been a

2366
01:37:01,590 --> 01:37:00,190
longtime poster on the forums and he has

2367
01:37:04,709 --> 01:37:01,600
a number of questions for you but one

2368
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:04,719
that deals specifically with Roswell

2369
01:37:08,729 --> 01:37:06,610
it possible or plausible rather the

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01:37:11,069 --> 01:37:08,739
Roswell or any other so-called UFO

2371
01:37:14,189 --> 01:37:11,079
crashes were manmade covert technology

2372
01:37:16,109 --> 01:37:14,199
rather than something et for example

2373
01:37:20,009 --> 01:37:16,119
early development and satellites drones

2374
01:37:22,169 --> 01:37:20,019
any any craft decoy devices etc of that

2375
01:37:25,739 --> 01:37:22,179
type of technology during the Cold War

2376
01:37:27,239 --> 01:37:25,749
years we looked into that deeply spent

2377
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:27,249
some spent a lot of time at White Sands

2378
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:29,050
New Mexico for example to find out what

2379
01:37:33,629 --> 01:37:30,249
what they were doing

2380
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none of none of their things when it

2381
01:37:37,890 --> 01:37:36,309
went they did go astray but they're all

2382
01:37:39,239 --> 01:37:37,900
accounted for in the records there's

2383
01:37:41,279 --> 01:37:39,249
there's nothing that's missing from the

2384
01:37:45,149 --> 01:37:41,289
records that would suggest anything like

2385
01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:45,159
that went to the Space Museum in

2386
01:37:51,629 --> 01:37:48,880
Alamogordo and looked through their

2387
01:37:53,729 --> 01:37:51,639
records as well and and found out in

2388
01:37:55,500 --> 01:37:53,739
ninth in July of 1947 about the biggest

2389
01:37:57,930 --> 01:37:55,510
things they were sending up in Rockets

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01:38:00,899 --> 01:37:57,940
were mice and these these were Rockets

2391
01:38:02,669 --> 01:38:00,909
that really just touched the edge of

2392
01:38:04,319 --> 01:38:02,679
space space nothing that had gone into

2393
01:38:07,109 --> 01:38:04,329
orbit or anything like that so we looked

2394
01:38:10,969 --> 01:38:07,119
into we looked into the technologies of

2395
01:38:13,020 --> 01:38:10,979
what it could be the Air Force in their

2396
01:38:14,430 --> 01:38:13,030
investigation said they had looked for

2397
01:38:16,109 --> 01:38:14,440
any experimental aircraft or anything

2398
01:38:17,489 --> 01:38:16,119
like that that might account for this

2399
01:38:18,419 --> 01:38:17,499
and had they found anything you know

2400
01:38:20,549 --> 01:38:18,429
they would have trotted it out

2401
01:38:22,259 --> 01:38:20,559
immediately and they said no they

2402
01:38:24,779 --> 01:38:22,269
couldn't find anything like that either

2403
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:24,789
I think that any technology that we

2404
01:38:31,169 --> 01:38:27,610
might have developed in 1947 that would

2405
01:38:33,839 --> 01:38:31,179
have been might have fooled people in

2406
01:38:35,850 --> 01:38:33,849
1947 is something that's now 65 years

2407
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:35,860
old and way in the past and we would be

2408
01:38:39,330 --> 01:38:37,449
well aware of it we'd be able to find

2409
01:38:41,489 --> 01:38:39,340
traces of it but we haven't found

2410
01:38:45,029 --> 01:38:41,499
anything anything that suggests it's

2411
01:38:47,370 --> 01:38:45,039
man-made technology at all the only the

2412
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:47,380
only thing left is the project mogul

2413
01:38:52,649 --> 01:38:50,650
balloons and I think that that a people

2414
01:38:53,939 --> 01:38:52,659
don't have to people have to understand

2415
01:38:55,859 --> 01:38:53,949
that the mobile balloons were basically

2416
01:38:58,410 --> 01:38:55,869
weather balloons nothing extraordinary

2417
01:38:59,969 --> 01:38:58,420
about them the targets were radar

2418
01:39:01,770 --> 01:38:59,979
targets that had been used in world war

2419
01:39:03,930 --> 01:39:01,780
ii nothing extraordinary extraordinary

2420
01:39:06,180 --> 01:39:03,940
about them stop that that Marcel would

2421
01:39:07,290 --> 01:39:06,190
have recognized immediately if when he

2422
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:07,300
had saw it and he wouldn't have been

2423
01:39:11,370 --> 01:39:08,530
fooled by them that would have been the

2424
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:11,380
end of it so we've looked at and we're

2425
01:39:15,629 --> 01:39:13,840
continuing to search for anything like

2426
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,639
that that might suggest an earth-based

2427
01:39:18,529 --> 01:39:17,679
technology and we just haven't found

2428
01:39:21,439 --> 01:39:18,539
anything that

2429
01:39:23,659 --> 01:39:21,449
is very persuasive bug I have heard you

2430
01:39:26,569 --> 01:39:23,669
know some rumors of Wernher von Braun

2431
01:39:30,679 --> 01:39:26,579
for instance interested in the Roswell

2432
01:39:32,779 --> 01:39:30,689
case back when it occurred and that

2433
01:39:34,219 --> 01:39:32,789
wasn't he somehow involved with what was

2434
01:39:35,869 --> 01:39:34,229
going on down a white sands during that

2435
01:39:37,819 --> 01:39:35,879
time period yeah

2436
01:39:40,759 --> 01:39:37,829
the v2 stuff was going on at White Sands

2437
01:39:44,329 --> 01:39:40,769
at the time but wasn't it the disc was

2438
01:39:45,709 --> 01:39:44,339
the defense industrial security council

2439
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:45,719
or committee or something what they base

2440
01:39:50,989 --> 01:39:48,449
their there was any number of different

2441
01:39:52,879 --> 01:39:50,999
things things there I just we just can't

2442
01:39:55,009 --> 01:39:52,889
find any connection between that and

2443
01:40:00,349 --> 01:39:55,019
what fell at Roswell anything going on

2444
01:40:02,469 --> 01:40:00,359
at White Sands Frank Hoffman had said

2445
01:40:03,919 --> 01:40:02,479
that he had mentioned it to von Braun

2446
01:40:07,309 --> 01:40:03,929
him

2447
01:40:08,869 --> 01:40:07,319
I think the 1960s I think it was and we

2448
01:40:11,839 --> 01:40:08,879
were able to actually put Kaufman and

2449
01:40:14,779 --> 01:40:11,849
von Braun in the same room in an event

2450
01:40:16,459 --> 01:40:14,789
that took place in Roswell so Kaufman

2451
01:40:18,469 --> 01:40:16,469
could have talked to him but though we

2452
01:40:20,179 --> 01:40:18,479
since learned that Kaufman was making up

2453
01:40:22,669 --> 01:40:20,189
most of what he was telling us so that

2454
01:40:24,469 --> 01:40:22,679
becomes an irrelevant connection but

2455
01:40:27,139 --> 01:40:24,479
there it was a connection between oh

2456
01:40:29,329 --> 01:40:27,149
that von Braun was was in-laws well at

2457
01:40:30,889 --> 01:40:29,339
the dedication of one of the museums

2458
01:40:35,629 --> 01:40:30,899
there and there's a what's called a

2459
01:40:37,129 --> 01:40:35,639
congressional recognition that describes

2460
01:40:39,799 --> 01:40:37,139
this whole thing I've got a copy of it

2461
01:40:43,250 --> 01:40:39,809
in my files described yet so von Braun

2462
01:40:45,049 --> 01:40:43,260
was in Roswell in the 1960s but I think

2463
01:40:48,949 --> 01:40:45,059
by that point nobody was talking about

2464
01:40:50,869 --> 01:40:48,959
the UFO crash so I really had well that

2465
01:40:52,849 --> 01:40:50,879
kind of leads me to a question that was

2466
01:40:55,939 --> 01:40:52,859
just posted by Marduk who's one of our

2467
01:40:58,549 --> 01:40:55,949
longtime posters as well and he said

2468
01:41:00,529 --> 01:40:58,559
just one question it's a bit rhetorical

2469
01:41:03,079 --> 01:41:00,539
but why do researchers in the field

2470
01:41:05,059 --> 01:41:03,089
continually over focus on cases that are

2471
01:41:08,089 --> 01:41:05,069
ancient history such as Roswell Aztec

2472
01:41:10,579 --> 01:41:08,099
Travis Walton etc instead of the newer

2473
01:41:12,409 --> 01:41:10,589
cases coming out today is it because the

2474
01:41:15,709 --> 01:41:12,419
new cases are not as interesting as the

2475
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:15,719
abductee slash contactee era or is it a

2476
01:41:19,219 --> 01:41:17,280
human failing that we become more

2477
01:41:20,659 --> 01:41:19,229
interested in the personalities and soap

2478
01:41:23,029 --> 01:41:20,669
opera stories than the evolving

2479
01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:23,039
phenomena as they exist today and he

2480
01:41:26,539 --> 01:41:24,329
gives an example that there were almost

2481
01:41:28,189 --> 01:41:26,549
a thousand side it's sightings reported

2482
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:28,199
in Canada last year slightly up from the

2483
01:41:31,870 --> 01:41:30,449
year before and he asked were they all

2484
01:41:33,129 --> 01:41:31,880
just boring or

2485
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:33,139
are we just fascinated with the

2486
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:34,730
political imaginations of people on

2487
01:41:47,860 --> 01:41:43,330
and well you're also in good company it

2488
01:41:50,530 --> 01:41:47,870
puts Chris and myself down well I think

2489
01:41:52,510 --> 01:41:50,540
one of the problems is a lot of the

2490
01:41:56,020 --> 01:41:52,520
sightings are just lights in the sky and

2491
01:41:58,540 --> 01:41:56,030
when you get down to the bottom line its

2492
01:42:00,250 --> 01:41:58,550
lights in the sky and somebody's seeing

2493
01:42:03,459 --> 01:42:00,260
another light in the sky isn't going to

2494
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:03,469
advance our knowledge very much so so in

2495
01:42:05,919 --> 01:42:04,489
that respect they're not very

2496
01:42:07,479 --> 01:42:05,929
interesting a lot of them aren't very

2497
01:42:11,919 --> 01:42:07,489
interesting unless you have a

2498
01:42:13,419 --> 01:42:11,929
triangulated high-res camera array yeah

2499
01:42:15,310 --> 01:42:13,429
and then you've got something extremely

2500
01:42:16,740 --> 01:42:15,320
interesting or you've got something

2501
01:42:20,050 --> 01:42:16,750
that's landed and left traces behind

2502
01:42:23,169 --> 01:42:20,060
some some different chains of evidence

2503
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:23,179
if you will the reason why the Roswell

2504
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:25,280
case is so fascinating I believe is

2505
01:42:33,700 --> 01:42:28,610
because this is this case changed the

2506
01:42:35,709 --> 01:42:33,710
whole perspective of UFO research if it

2507
01:42:37,419 --> 01:42:35,719
had not crashed in Roswell where the

2508
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:37,429
military could control the media there

2509
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:39,530
were four media outlets the two

2510
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:41,690
newspapers the two radio stations and

2511
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:44,000
the place is still sort of isolated on

2512
01:42:47,740 --> 01:42:46,159
if you look look at it on the maps it's

2513
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:47,750
three hours from El Paso three hours

2514
01:42:52,770 --> 01:42:49,520
from Lubbock three-and-a-half hours from

2515
01:42:55,629 --> 01:42:52,780
Albuquerque so it's not exactly a hub of

2516
01:42:56,770 --> 01:42:55,639
Commerce which held the Chamber of

2517
01:42:58,270 --> 01:42:56,780
Commerce heard me it probably sent me a

2518
01:43:02,169 --> 01:42:58,280
nasty letter I mean it's a beautiful

2519
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:02,179
town but but in 1947 it just it was

2520
01:43:07,050 --> 01:43:04,250
really out of the way and the the Air

2521
01:43:10,330 --> 01:43:07,060
Force the Army Air Force could control

2522
01:43:13,379 --> 01:43:10,340
access to the information had had it

2523
01:43:15,850 --> 01:43:13,389
happened today they couldn't control the

2524
01:43:19,300 --> 01:43:15,860
access the information but what's what's

2525
01:43:21,310 --> 01:43:19,310
critical is on July 8 we've got the the

2526
01:43:24,459 --> 01:43:21,320
newspaper article it says they find the

2527
01:43:26,169 --> 01:43:24,469
flying saucer the next day you begin to

2528
01:43:28,390 --> 01:43:26,179
get newspaper article says is the Army

2529
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:28,400
and Navy moved today to stop stories of

2530
01:43:31,780 --> 01:43:29,449
flying saucers whizzing through the

2531
01:43:34,570 --> 01:43:31,790
atmosphere why suddenly does the army

2532
01:43:36,129 --> 01:43:34,580
maybe on July 9th care about these

2533
01:43:38,590 --> 01:43:36,139
stories and they've been going on for

2534
01:43:39,879 --> 01:43:38,600
two weeks nobody cared about him you

2535
01:43:41,830 --> 01:43:39,889
know it was interesting it was a silly

2536
01:43:44,169 --> 01:43:41,840
season let's talk about them all kinds

2537
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:44,179
of explanations going on but suddenly on

2538
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:45,530
the 9th they want to stop this

2539
01:43:50,290 --> 01:43:47,690
Dory's don't stop to talk about it and

2540
01:43:51,970 --> 01:43:50,300
and I think because of laws well it

2541
01:43:53,500 --> 01:43:51,980
changed the direction of research had it

2542
01:43:55,180 --> 01:43:53,510
not happened then we would had a

2543
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:55,190
completely different direction for UFO

2544
01:43:57,549 --> 01:43:56,719
research and we might not be having this

2545
01:43:59,919 --> 01:43:57,559
discussion

2546
01:44:02,020 --> 01:43:59,929
so Roswell was the lynchpin yeah I think

2547
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:02,030
so I think so and and and it but it's

2548
01:44:04,450 --> 01:44:03,530
got the multiple chains of evidence if

2549
01:44:06,310 --> 01:44:04,460
you can get to them you've got the

2550
01:44:08,799 --> 01:44:06,320
eyewitness testimony you've got the

2551
01:44:11,529 --> 01:44:08,809
possibility of the the metallic debris

2552
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:11,539
you've got the alien bodies you've got

2553
01:44:17,140 --> 01:44:14,650
all the elements there to prove that

2554
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:17,150
UFOs are extraterrestrial if the

2555
01:44:23,740 --> 01:44:19,010
evidence can be followed properly and we

2556
01:44:25,330 --> 01:44:23,750
can get to the right answer stories and

2557
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:25,340
stories of the lights in the sky don't

2558
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:27,170
get us to the extra-terrestrial they get

2559
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:28,449
us to well that was an interesting

2560
01:44:35,589 --> 01:44:32,000
sighting in fact just last night here at

2561
01:44:39,399 --> 01:44:35,599
home they had a story about UFOs being

2562
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:39,409
filmed in in you know over one of the

2563
01:44:42,399 --> 01:44:41,090
towns and I'm thinking it looks like

2564
01:44:43,870 --> 01:44:42,409
flares on weather balloons because I've

2565
01:44:46,589 --> 01:44:43,880
seen an awful lot of that video that

2566
01:44:49,870 --> 01:44:46,599
kind of video footage like oh yeah

2567
01:44:52,180 --> 01:44:49,880
nightly but but but there again it's you

2568
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:52,190
know lights in the night sky and is that

2569
01:44:56,379 --> 01:44:54,770
going to get us to an answer no it's a

2570
01:44:57,729 --> 01:44:56,389
nocturnal light and that and it's

2571
01:44:59,260 --> 01:44:57,739
interesting for the people that saw it

2572
01:45:01,540 --> 01:44:59,270
might be scary for the people saw it but

2573
01:45:02,770 --> 01:45:01,550
it doesn't advance our knowledge unless

2574
01:45:04,330 --> 01:45:02,780
it does something really interesting

2575
01:45:07,390 --> 01:45:04,340
like the balloon blows up and then you

2576
01:45:09,220 --> 01:45:07,400
can say well we've solved that case well

2577
01:45:10,689 --> 01:45:09,230
you brought up the term extraterrestrial

2578
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:10,699
and that leads to another question from

2579
01:45:15,069 --> 01:45:13,010
a fairly recent addition to the pair

2580
01:45:17,169 --> 01:45:15,079
Castform family I'll tell you what first

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which are posted it formed off the power

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future Chris you have a question from

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another one of our listeners for Kevin I

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do indeed

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I don't you know present company

2656
01:48:27,489 --> 01:48:25,579
excluded I hope you're in light of

2657
01:48:29,529 --> 01:48:27,499
evidence testimony and hypotheses

2658
01:48:32,949 --> 01:48:29,539
pointing towards the propagation of the

2659
01:48:35,679 --> 01:48:32,959
UFO ETH meme as being a big US

2660
01:48:38,379 --> 01:48:35,689
intelligence smoke-and-mirrors disinfo

2661
01:48:41,319 --> 01:48:38,389
commie spy baked game I was a mouthful

2662
01:48:43,330 --> 01:48:41,329
our most kool-aid drinking ufologists

2663
01:48:50,020 --> 01:48:43,340
too scared to admit being patsies

2664
01:48:52,060 --> 01:48:50,030
Stooges and psych up four guys yeah

2665
01:48:54,549 --> 01:48:52,070
somebody it's really really

2666
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:54,559
self-involved aren't they I can use lots

2667
01:49:02,319 --> 01:48:59,840
of big words and my questions but it's

2668
01:49:04,179 --> 01:49:02,329
also somebody who clearly is not aware

2669
01:49:05,649 --> 01:49:04,189
of the evidence and it rejects

2670
01:49:06,939 --> 01:49:05,659
everything you know we could turn it

2671
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:06,949
around and say the same thing about the

2672
01:49:09,729 --> 01:49:08,239
debunkers they just won't look at any

2673
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:09,739
evidence at all they know that there is

2674
01:49:14,290 --> 01:49:12,170
no alien visitation therefore anything

2675
01:49:16,919 --> 01:49:14,300
that suggests otherwise there's got to

2676
01:49:19,149 --> 01:49:16,929
be a lie or a hoax or a Mis

2677
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:19,159
misidentification no I don't think it's

2678
01:49:24,189 --> 01:49:22,090
a big government intelligence driven

2679
01:49:26,109 --> 01:49:24,199
disinformation campaign because there's

2680
01:49:27,660 --> 01:49:26,119
no point to it if there's nothing to

2681
01:49:30,100 --> 01:49:27,670
UFOs there's no point to this big

2682
01:49:31,810 --> 01:49:30,110
intelligence campaign to convince us

2683
01:49:33,819 --> 01:49:31,820
there's UFOs now I wanted to ask you a

2684
01:49:36,339 --> 01:49:33,829
question because you raised that James

2685
01:49:38,890 --> 01:49:36,349
carry on who was a former international

2686
01:49:40,750 --> 01:49:38,900
director of MUFON he's saying that some

2687
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:40,760
of the things that happened in the late

2688
01:49:49,149 --> 01:49:43,760
40s and early 50s it was all designed to

2689
01:49:49,510 --> 01:49:49,159
spook the Russians yes he died and it's

2690
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:49,520
not

2691
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:51,050
say that there aren't disinformation

2692
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:54,320
campaigns but to suggest that you know

2693
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:55,610
the laws well is that this information

2694
01:50:02,350 --> 01:49:58,760
campaign to spook the Russians doesn't

2695
01:50:04,990 --> 01:50:02,360
work because a day after Roswell took

2696
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:05,000
place you've got the government saying

2697
01:50:08,380 --> 01:50:06,800
well here's what it is it's a it's

2698
01:50:10,420 --> 01:50:08,390
weather balloons and so in theory that

2699
01:50:11,950 --> 01:50:10,430
she has killed it yeah that and it

2700
01:50:13,450 --> 01:50:11,960
actually didn't kill the story for a

2701
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:13,460
long time till Jesse Marcel started

2702
01:50:17,860 --> 01:50:15,290
talking about it but but how does that

2703
01:50:20,170 --> 01:50:17,870
spook the Russians or the Soviets if you

2704
01:50:21,970 --> 01:50:20,180
want to be technically correct about

2705
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:21,980
that unless you seem they're very stupid

2706
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:23,810
I have to think their intelligence

2707
01:50:27,610 --> 01:50:26,330
people were pretty smart are where

2708
01:50:30,130 --> 01:50:27,620
they're disinformation campaigns

2709
01:50:31,660 --> 01:50:30,140
absolutely but they had they usually had

2710
01:50:33,070 --> 01:50:31,670
a very narrow focus it wasn't something

2711
01:50:35,950 --> 01:50:33,080
like this I mean it's it's kind of like

2712
01:50:40,030 --> 01:50:35,960
it's kind of like going back to Annie

2713
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:40,040
Jake Woodsen's area 51 stuff that this

2714
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:42,080
was this was something too scared it was

2715
01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:43,730
something designed to scare the United

2716
01:50:49,390 --> 01:50:47,450
States by putting mutant teenagers into

2717
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:49,400
crafts and crashing at New Mexico to

2718
01:50:52,810 --> 01:50:51,170
scare Moses something that Mangala and

2719
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:52,820
Stalin worked up together yeah it's a

2720
01:50:57,130 --> 01:50:55,970
preposterous idea and and not to mention

2721
01:51:00,280 --> 01:50:57,140
the fact it didn't work

2722
01:51:02,830 --> 01:51:00,290
Nick Redferns bodies snatches in the

2723
01:51:06,910 --> 01:51:02,840
desert a different a different take on

2724
01:51:09,100 --> 01:51:06,920
the Roswell case I had seen nothing to

2725
01:51:10,450 --> 01:51:09,110
suggest it it's it's true and I don't

2726
01:51:12,300 --> 01:51:10,460
want to say any mean things about Nick

2727
01:51:15,850 --> 01:51:12,310
Redfern because I consider him a friend

2728
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:15,860
but his book was I don't think his book

2729
01:51:19,690 --> 01:51:17,930
was well documented I don't think I

2730
01:51:23,170 --> 01:51:19,700
don't think he got got it to the point

2731
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:23,180
it needed to get to to prove his case

2732
01:51:29,410 --> 01:51:26,960
the evidence was was very thin let's

2733
01:51:31,110 --> 01:51:29,420
move on with the questions Chris okay

2734
01:51:33,190 --> 01:51:31,120
this is a good one this is from

2735
01:51:36,820 --> 01:51:33,200
Apocalypto who's one of our

2736
01:51:38,110 --> 01:51:36,830
longest-running posters he's running by

2737
01:51:40,810 --> 01:51:38,120
the way he'll get to the end of the

2738
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:40,820
track next year yep hello Jean Chris and

2739
01:51:45,970 --> 01:51:43,250
Kevin thanks for the great shows Kevin

2740
01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:45,980
coughs YouTube channel has no less than

2741
01:51:51,550 --> 01:51:48,170
twenty four videos containing the title

2742
01:51:53,830 --> 01:51:51,560
scandals of Kevin Randle in most other

2743
01:51:55,870 --> 01:51:53,840
subject areas that type of obsessive

2744
01:51:58,030 --> 01:51:55,880
compulsive behavior would probably get a

2745
01:52:00,340 --> 01:51:58,040
lot of attention but in the field of

2746
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:00,350
ufology intelligent people have learned

2747
01:52:03,009 --> 01:52:02,330
to begrudgingly accept the notion that

2748
01:52:04,989 --> 01:52:03,019
men

2749
01:52:08,649 --> 01:52:04,999
the ill people are constantly demanding

2750
01:52:10,449 --> 01:52:08,659
attention like blowhard Monta banks I'm

2751
01:52:12,459 --> 01:52:10,459
not sure what that even means my

2752
01:52:13,959 --> 01:52:12,469
question is simple why are so many

2753
01:52:18,849 --> 01:52:13,969
people with mental health problems

2754
01:52:20,619 --> 01:52:18,859
associated with the subject of UFOs I'm

2755
01:52:23,099 --> 01:52:20,629
not sure that you can go from kalkhoff

2756
01:52:25,659 --> 01:52:23,109
too many people to the UFO field or

2757
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:25,669
mentally ill I'll tell you what calc

2758
01:52:32,469 --> 01:52:27,199
Worf has been after a number of people

2759
01:52:34,539 --> 01:52:32,479
he did a little towards me he against

2760
01:52:36,519 --> 01:52:34,549
our original co-hosts of the para cast

2761
01:52:38,589 --> 01:52:36,529
but looks like you are really targeted

2762
01:52:43,049 --> 01:52:38,599
man I think I think the problem of Cal

2763
01:52:45,609 --> 01:52:43,059
koreff is yeah I got an email from him

2764
01:52:47,469 --> 01:52:45,619
not long after I returned from her oh no

2765
01:52:48,939 --> 01:52:47,479
I know what it was he was he was on

2766
01:52:53,169 --> 01:52:48,949
another radio program I won't mention

2767
01:52:55,239 --> 01:52:53,179
the name telling the hosts that that he

2768
01:52:58,299 --> 01:52:55,249
had heard that my exploits in Iraq were

2769
01:52:59,769 --> 01:52:58,309
not nearly the Rambo s type exploits

2770
01:53:01,569 --> 01:52:59,779
that I had been making them out to be

2771
01:53:04,209 --> 01:53:01,579
I'm thinking what have I ever said in

2772
01:53:06,969 --> 01:53:04,219
the in in within hearing of Cal Corp to

2773
01:53:09,039 --> 01:53:06,979
suggest anything like that and and it

2774
01:53:11,769 --> 01:53:09,049
just struck me that he's he's running

2775
01:53:15,239 --> 01:53:11,779
down my service in Iraq while he's

2776
01:53:19,299 --> 01:53:15,249
masquerading as a captain in some

2777
01:53:21,729 --> 01:53:19,309
invented military organization and and I

2778
01:53:25,149 --> 01:53:21,739
think I think that my response day was

2779
01:53:27,459 --> 01:53:25,159
well I just just set him off you know he

2780
01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:27,469
he said that my service was a it was

2781
01:53:31,989 --> 01:53:30,169
just the army you know had to had had to

2782
01:53:34,869 --> 01:53:31,999
pull people in from everywhere to fill

2783
01:53:36,129 --> 01:53:34,879
their fill their slots and I and I

2784
01:53:38,769 --> 01:53:36,139
pointed out you know that's the purpose

2785
01:53:41,259 --> 01:53:38,779
of a National Guard you know we trained

2786
01:53:43,629 --> 01:53:41,269
for the mission and when when we have

2787
01:53:47,049 --> 01:53:43,639
the expertise we are called to active

2788
01:53:48,579 --> 01:53:47,059
duty to to to serve and that's exactly

2789
01:53:50,859 --> 01:53:48,589
what they did you know well duh you're

2790
01:53:53,229 --> 01:53:50,869
exactly right and he just became a just

2791
01:53:55,599 --> 01:53:53,239
became a sense that I would say that and

2792
01:53:58,449 --> 01:53:55,609
I wouldn't respond to his emails to me

2793
01:54:00,549 --> 01:53:58,459
because they were just just so nasty I

2794
01:54:02,079 --> 01:54:00,559
mean they were threatening if you don't

2795
01:54:04,869 --> 01:54:02,089
do this I'm going to sue you and I'm

2796
01:54:07,989 --> 01:54:04,879
thinking sue away to have fun we were

2797
01:54:09,789 --> 01:54:07,999
going to do a for our a host of another

2798
01:54:10,959 --> 01:54:09,799
radio program had a four-hour block of

2799
01:54:13,629 --> 01:54:10,969
instruction what do you want to do is

2800
01:54:15,219 --> 01:54:13,639
have me on for an hour calc Worf on for

2801
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:15,229
an hour and then both of us on for two

2802
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:16,970
hours and we would take

2803
01:54:20,740 --> 01:54:18,530
questions from the audience and sort of

2804
01:54:23,290 --> 01:54:20,750
debate the reality of the Roswell case

2805
01:54:25,180 --> 01:54:23,300
my wife said to me repeatedly what are

2806
01:54:27,460 --> 01:54:25,190
you guys gonna do for four hours

2807
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:27,470
when Korff doesn't show up in like two

2808
01:54:31,660 --> 01:54:29,090
hours before the show

2809
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:31,670
he's hostess he posted this video on

2810
01:54:36,460 --> 01:54:34,010
YouTube saying that he's now involved in

2811
01:54:38,260 --> 01:54:36,470
some terrorist anti terrorist activity

2812
01:54:40,450 --> 01:54:38,270
and he can't possibly make the show and

2813
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:40,460
so we had four hours to fill and

2814
01:54:45,250 --> 01:54:43,730
fortunately the host the host I only had

2815
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:45,260
to fill two hours and he let me go and

2816
01:54:48,940 --> 01:54:46,910
then he had he'd made some calls and got

2817
01:54:51,940 --> 01:54:48,950
some other guests on the program but

2818
01:54:54,030 --> 01:54:51,950
courses courses a lunatic I I really

2819
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:54,040
enjoy the blog kal course is an idiot

2820
01:55:00,880 --> 01:54:57,850
[Laughter]

2821
01:55:03,540 --> 01:55:00,890
what's gonna happen now is we're gonna

2822
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:03,550
see something posted by that gentleman

2823
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:05,930
and it's gonna be not just against you

2824
01:55:09,930 --> 01:55:07,850
it's gonna be how the power cast ripped

2825
01:55:14,020 --> 01:55:09,940
him apart ripped him a new one

2826
01:55:15,580 --> 01:55:14,030
Chris and I are now targeted oh great I

2827
01:55:19,150 --> 01:55:15,590
don't I don't think that's gonna happen

2828
01:55:21,220 --> 01:55:19,160
because there's a calque or web site at

2829
01:55:23,620 --> 01:55:21,230
and it's called free Kurtis org or

2830
01:55:26,830 --> 01:55:23,630
something which lays out all of his

2831
01:55:29,170 --> 01:55:26,840
claims and how they've evolved and

2832
01:55:32,290 --> 01:55:29,180
changed over the years and and that sort

2833
01:55:35,050 --> 01:55:32,300
of thing in calc Worf is an idiot the

2834
01:55:37,810 --> 01:55:35,060
cow course is an idiot blog it also does

2835
01:55:40,540 --> 01:55:37,820
that and he's been he's moved out of the

2836
01:55:43,170 --> 01:55:40,550
UFO arena he's moved beyond being a

2837
01:55:45,250 --> 01:55:43,180
military expert on terrorism and being a

2838
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:45,260
internationally renowned journalist he's

2839
01:55:51,190 --> 01:55:47,360
now faded from the from the landscape

2840
01:55:53,140 --> 01:55:51,200
and so I have no fear in saying that

2841
01:55:55,120 --> 01:55:53,150
calc Worf is an idiot and if he would

2842
01:55:57,940 --> 01:55:55,130
like to sue me that he certainly could

2843
01:56:03,160 --> 01:55:57,950
do so if he had to sense to hire an

2844
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:03,170
attorney sure he'll take is 40 percent

2845
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:05,330
of nothing Chris it does beg the

2846
01:56:09,160 --> 01:56:06,890
question though that this this field

2847
01:56:12,010 --> 01:56:09,170
does have a tendency to attract to it

2848
01:56:15,130 --> 01:56:12,020
and they don't stick obviously but but a

2849
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,140
lot of people that are TWiki seem to be

2850
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:17,360
attracted to the field and if you're a

2851
01:56:21,700 --> 01:56:19,010
young person let's say that's that's

2852
01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:21,710
getting involved in studying this very

2853
01:56:25,360 --> 01:56:23,810
fascinating subject and and you stumble

2854
01:56:28,180 --> 01:56:25,370
on some of these people not knowing

2855
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:28,190
their background or not having the the

2856
01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:30,560
powers of discernment maybe that some of

2857
01:56:34,750 --> 01:56:33,170
the more longtime investigators and

2858
01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:34,760
people the following the field would

2859
01:56:41,950 --> 01:56:39,910
have it can actually you know create

2860
01:56:45,610 --> 01:56:41,960
some sort of momentum for their

2861
01:56:47,380 --> 01:56:45,620
particular view to be to become more

2862
01:56:49,690 --> 01:56:47,390
popular or for them to get some

2863
01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:49,700
notoriety what what would you suggest

2864
01:56:53,860 --> 01:56:52,370
for people that are just getting into

2865
01:56:56,380 --> 01:56:53,870
the field some of our new time listeners

2866
01:56:58,720 --> 01:56:56,390
on the para cast for instance how what

2867
01:56:59,980 --> 01:56:58,730
would you suggest to them to to help

2868
01:57:02,530 --> 01:56:59,990
them separate the signal from the noise

2869
01:57:10,290 --> 01:57:02,540
and the week from the chafe so to speak

2870
01:57:14,380 --> 01:57:12,190
well wait a minute they could buy my

2871
01:57:16,540 --> 01:57:14,390
books too right but I don't have any

2872
01:57:18,580 --> 01:57:16,550
books about the subject of UFO so they

2873
01:57:20,770 --> 01:57:18,590
can't buy my books they could buy some

2874
01:57:24,070 --> 01:57:20,780
of my old technology books but well

2875
01:57:25,870 --> 01:57:24,080
that's nobody's interested in that we

2876
01:57:27,850 --> 01:57:25,880
have Kevin Randall we're interested in

2877
01:57:30,630 --> 01:57:27,860
what he has to say with Gina and Chris

2878
01:57:38,170 --> 01:57:30,640
you're in the para cast

2879
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:41,420
we also have swag you know we have all

2880
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:44,730
these exclusive power cast things that

2881
01:57:47,510 --> 01:57:45,570
you can buy

2882
01:57:50,330 --> 01:57:47,520
we've got like I guess 60 or so

2883
01:57:53,900 --> 01:57:50,340
different items and entails t-shirts

2884
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:53,910
sleeves for notebook computers iPad

2885
01:57:59,510 --> 01:57:57,210
cases mouse pads the para cast jumbo

2886
01:58:01,370 --> 01:57:59,520
tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

2887
01:58:04,610 --> 01:58:01,380
jackets and stuff like that for men and

2888
01:58:07,490 --> 01:58:04,620
women we have a para cast aluminum water

2889
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:07,500
bottle all the stuff you go to store dr.

2890
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:11,010
Peric ascom store dot the para cast com

2891
01:58:16,220 --> 01:58:13,920
what makes special is that the items are

2892
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:16,230
the best quality oh great t-shirts

2893
01:58:20,150 --> 01:58:18,810
fabrics and they have our official logo

2894
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:20,160
on them that's what makes them special

2895
01:58:25,070 --> 01:58:22,290
multiple sizes and colors

2896
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:25,080
we even have stuff for children stuff

2897
01:58:30,170 --> 01:58:27,450
for women's stuff for men we have all

2898
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:30,180
sorts of sizes like small up to X large

2899
01:58:35,060 --> 01:58:32,490
lot good stuff that's the swag from the

2900
01:58:38,090 --> 01:58:35,070
para cast to go to steward onto the para

2901
01:58:40,610 --> 01:58:38,100
cast com stop by and take a shopping

2902
01:58:42,230 --> 01:58:40,620
tour my name is Leslie and I've had

2903
01:58:44,750 --> 01:58:42,240
depression since I was a child after

2904
01:58:46,160 --> 01:58:44,760
being unperfect for 20 years I got onto

2905
01:58:48,770 --> 01:58:46,170
the warm world way and my need for

2906
01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:48,780
Prozac was reduced by 50% within a few

2907
01:58:53,300 --> 01:58:51,090
months now after less than one year I am

2908
01:58:55,100 --> 01:58:53,310
completely off of Prozac I learned that

2909
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:55,110
mercury is a toxin that causes brain

2910
01:58:59,690 --> 01:58:57,570
damage and depression by taking one more

2911
01:59:02,120 --> 01:58:59,700
way I know that I've detoxified my brain

2912
01:59:03,860 --> 01:59:02,130
of mercury and excess glutamate and I'm

2913
01:59:06,230 --> 01:59:03,870
now functioning with this dramatic

2914
01:59:08,300 --> 01:59:06,240
improvement in my mood the power to

2915
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:08,310
change your life lies in part in the

2916
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:09,930
power you have to change your body's

2917
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Chris Wright you know there's so much

2990
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:12,629
there's so much stuff out there I I said

2991
02:02:15,619 --> 02:02:14,010
to my wife just the other day isn't the

2992
02:02:16,759 --> 02:02:15,629
internet a wonderful - because I need to

2993
02:02:18,739 --> 02:02:16,769
look something up and I got the

2994
02:02:20,089 --> 02:02:18,749
information in like 30 seconds but the

2995
02:02:21,859 --> 02:02:20,099
other side of that coin is there's so

2996
02:02:23,330 --> 02:02:21,869
much out there and anybody can put

2997
02:02:27,649 --> 02:02:23,340
anything on the internet that they

2998
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:27,659
desire what you have to do is use proper

2999
02:02:31,909 --> 02:02:29,010
research learn how to do proper research

3000
02:02:34,609 --> 02:02:31,919
if you look up and and it really doesn't

3001
02:02:37,099 --> 02:02:34,619
matter what aspect of you up you UFOs

3002
02:02:40,310 --> 02:02:37,109
you want to look up you can find the

3003
02:02:41,540 --> 02:02:40,320
fringe out there about any aspect of it

3004
02:02:43,099 --> 02:02:41,550
you've got you've got to kind of move

3005
02:02:44,599 --> 02:02:43,109
away from that but you've got to you've

3006
02:02:46,279 --> 02:02:44,609
got to move away from one viewpoint I

3007
02:02:49,009 --> 02:02:46,289
guess is what I'm trying to say if you

3008
02:02:50,810 --> 02:02:49,019
find something that fascinates you look

3009
02:02:54,770 --> 02:02:50,820
for as much of that stuff that you can

3010
02:02:56,689 --> 02:02:54,780
find and then internally analyze what

3011
02:02:58,909 --> 02:02:56,699
you're reading to see what makes sense

3012
02:03:01,429 --> 02:02:58,919
to you and if something doesn't make

3013
02:03:03,649 --> 02:03:01,439
sense then look for other other

3014
02:03:05,869 --> 02:03:03,659
explanations for one of the things that

3015
02:03:08,750 --> 02:03:05,879
I think about with that is these out of

3016
02:03:10,429 --> 02:03:08,760
place artifacts which I think Ivan T

3017
02:03:12,830 --> 02:03:10,439
Sanderson called oops out of place

3018
02:03:14,889 --> 02:03:12,840
things you know archeological finds that

3019
02:03:18,889 --> 02:03:14,899
were not where they were supposed to be

3020
02:03:20,209 --> 02:03:18,899
nails found in in solid rock for example

3021
02:03:21,889 --> 02:03:20,219
suggesting the nails had been

3022
02:03:23,929 --> 02:03:21,899
manufactured millions of years ago and

3023
02:03:27,259 --> 02:03:23,939
and the one that really explained to

3024
02:03:29,299 --> 02:03:27,269
mind is this little metal vessel that

3025
02:03:31,879 --> 02:03:29,309
was supposedly blown out of a rock

3026
02:03:34,369 --> 02:03:31,889
quarry in eighteen the 1800s middle of

3027
02:03:35,869 --> 02:03:34,379
1800s in Massachusetts the idea was that

3028
02:03:38,029 --> 02:03:35,879
the the thing would had been

3029
02:03:41,689 --> 02:03:38,039
manufactured many many years ago and

3030
02:03:43,250 --> 02:03:41,699
it's reported in a number of UFO books

3031
02:03:45,290 --> 02:03:43,260
and I think they all took it from the

3032
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:45,300
from the same source meaning one guy

3033
02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:47,010
wrote about it never ever ebuddy looked

3034
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:48,570
at it I finally went back and looked at

3035
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:51,570
the 1852 Scientific American which is

3036
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:52,770
kind of fun till they found it on

3037
02:03:58,610 --> 02:03:55,440
like in Scientific American June 1950

3038
02:04:00,380 --> 02:03:58,620
1852 in it and it came up and so I could

3039
02:04:02,360 --> 02:04:00,390
read the whole thing but I'd already

3040
02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:02,370
been down to the University of Iowa and

3041
02:04:06,140 --> 02:04:04,170
looked at the bound periodical so I'd

3042
02:04:08,750 --> 02:04:06,150
actually held the 1852 Scientific

3043
02:04:10,850 --> 02:04:08,760
American and you look at it in it and it

3044
02:04:12,650 --> 02:04:10,860
talks about to became and you're

3045
02:04:14,630 --> 02:04:12,660
thinking to b'keen what the hell is that

3046
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:14,640
and then if you look at it it looks like

3047
02:04:19,280 --> 02:04:16,650
the L in the Linotype machine was

3048
02:04:20,450 --> 02:04:19,290
slightly out of line so the L which

3049
02:04:22,190 --> 02:04:20,460
looks like an artifact that the

3050
02:04:24,230 --> 02:04:22,200
microfilming process is in the in the

3051
02:04:26,780 --> 02:04:24,240
margin and it becomes tubal-cain and

3052
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:26,790
suddenly you realize that tubal-cain is

3053
02:04:30,950 --> 02:04:29,010
a biblical reference and so you're

3054
02:04:33,290 --> 02:04:30,960
wondering what all of that is about but

3055
02:04:35,450 --> 02:04:33,300
what the but the point is you've got

3056
02:04:38,060 --> 02:04:35,460
this this oddity that's reported in

3057
02:04:40,400 --> 02:04:38,070
Scientific American from 1852 and if you

3058
02:04:42,800 --> 02:04:40,410
get the entire article then it takes you

3059
02:04:45,080 --> 02:04:42,810
to tubal-cain and it actually and it

3060
02:04:46,580 --> 02:04:45,090
mentions some other scientists whose

3061
02:04:48,620 --> 02:04:46,590
name escapes me at the moment who turned

3062
02:04:49,790 --> 02:04:48,630
out to be a famous scientist of the time

3063
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:49,800
that should have looked at it but you

3064
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:51,690
get the all the information about it

3065
02:04:57,530 --> 02:04:54,810
rather than what the one source told you

3066
02:04:59,210 --> 02:04:57,540
so the point simply is this if you find

3067
02:05:02,300 --> 02:04:59,220
something that's very interesting

3068
02:05:04,910 --> 02:05:02,310
don't accept that as the truth without

3069
02:05:06,890 --> 02:05:04,920
verifying it through other sources and

3070
02:05:08,660 --> 02:05:06,900
try to find the original source for the

3071
02:05:10,940 --> 02:05:08,670
material so you're not you're not

3072
02:05:12,290 --> 02:05:10,950
getting it as it is it has been related

3073
02:05:14,210 --> 02:05:12,300
from from a number of other people

3074
02:05:17,230 --> 02:05:14,220
through their perspectives yeah it's

3075
02:05:19,910 --> 02:05:17,240
good advice you know research is is a

3076
02:05:22,490 --> 02:05:19,920
it's not as people think with the

3077
02:05:24,410 --> 02:05:22,500
internet that that research is easy it

3078
02:05:25,940 --> 02:05:24,420
actually in some sense of the word as

3079
02:05:28,040 --> 02:05:25,950
you pointed out makes it more difficult

3080
02:05:29,930 --> 02:05:28,050
because you really do need to double

3081
02:05:32,570 --> 02:05:29,940
triple and even quadruple check some of

3082
02:05:34,550 --> 02:05:32,580
the facts that that are out there I've

3083
02:05:36,440 --> 02:05:34,560
run into this problem researching a

3084
02:05:38,330 --> 02:05:36,450
couple of things just recently here

3085
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:38,340
about for instance the underground city

3086
02:05:42,710 --> 02:05:40,320
in the Grand Canyon would be an example

3087
02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:42,720
of there's a lot of this information out

3088
02:06:03,890 --> 02:06:00,650
a maglev train right we have some other

3089
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:03,900
other questions a Blowfish had a number

3090
02:06:08,270 --> 02:06:06,570
his first question to you was do you

3091
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:08,280
think the US and its allies might have

3092
02:06:14,030 --> 02:06:11,010
cracked the antigravity technology going

3093
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:14,040
on the theories of Nick cook in his book

3094
02:06:18,170 --> 02:06:16,050
I think he's referring to the hunt for

3095
02:06:20,510 --> 02:06:18,180
zero point of course Nick cook was the

3096
02:06:22,910 --> 02:06:20,520
chief aerospace investigator for jane's

3097
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:22,920
defence weekly i've actually worked with

3098
02:06:27,950 --> 02:06:25,170
net karna on a documentary project years

3099
02:06:29,510 --> 02:06:27,960
ago do you think that we're where do you

3100
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:29,520
think the state of the art is right now

3101
02:06:34,190 --> 02:06:31,170
with antigrav technology do you think

3102
02:06:35,540 --> 02:06:34,200
that we've cracked that edge I don't

3103
02:06:37,490 --> 02:06:35,550
think we've cracked it I think we're far

3104
02:06:39,230 --> 02:06:37,500
from it it's kind of like the same thing

3105
02:06:41,300 --> 02:06:39,240
with interstellar technology I don't

3106
02:06:42,920 --> 02:06:41,310
think we we figured that out could we

3107
02:06:44,090 --> 02:06:42,930
send a probe to another planet well

3108
02:06:45,590 --> 02:06:44,100
we've launched a couple of them of

3109
02:06:46,700 --> 02:06:45,600
course it's gonna take like 70,000 years

3110
02:06:49,070 --> 02:06:46,710
to get there but that's a whole nother

3111
02:06:51,290 --> 02:06:49,080
argument I don't think we I don't think

3112
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:51,300
we've cracked it I think we're

3113
02:06:54,890 --> 02:06:53,010
researching and we're trying to find out

3114
02:06:56,120 --> 02:06:54,900
more about it and we may have made some

3115
02:06:57,860 --> 02:06:56,130
inroads but I don't think we've figured

3116
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:57,870
it out I have another question which

3117
02:07:03,410 --> 02:07:00,480
involves your very first investigation

3118
02:07:06,650 --> 02:07:03,420
as a UFO investigator this comes from

3119
02:07:09,110 --> 02:07:06,660
sentry who's another one of our our you

3120
02:07:10,070 --> 02:07:09,120
know tried and true posters he comes up

3121
02:07:12,140 --> 02:07:10,080
with a very good question

3122
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:12,150
in your book reflections of a UFO

3123
02:07:17,020 --> 02:07:14,400
investigator Kevin tell us about one of

3124
02:07:21,140 --> 02:07:17,030
his earliest investigations back in 1968

3125
02:07:23,090 --> 02:07:21,150
into the Carol Wayne Watts case right

3126
02:07:24,710 --> 02:07:23,100
the Watts case is interesting because it

3127
02:07:26,660 --> 02:07:24,720
was among the earliest abduction claims

3128
02:07:29,540 --> 02:07:26,670
of medical examination by grey aliens

3129
02:07:32,050 --> 02:07:29,550
and it is further unique in that it was

3130
02:07:34,430 --> 02:07:32,060
investigated by Project Blue Book and

3131
02:07:36,050 --> 02:07:34,440
he's saying that you should give a

3132
02:07:38,330 --> 02:07:36,060
little summation of this case for our

3133
02:07:39,500 --> 02:07:38,340
first time listeners after Watts failed

3134
02:07:41,060 --> 02:07:39,510
a lie-detector test

3135
02:07:43,340 --> 02:07:41,070
he said that the story was a hoax

3136
02:07:45,950 --> 02:07:43,350
crafted by a chubby artist from Amarillo

3137
02:07:48,140 --> 02:07:45,960
who also provided some UFO photos to

3138
02:07:50,270 --> 02:07:48,150
support the story the artist taught him

3139
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:50,280
the story under hypnosis with the help

3140
02:07:55,100 --> 02:07:52,890
of two hypnotist from San Antonio the

3141
02:07:57,350 --> 02:07:55,110
other three men didn't seem to have ever

3142
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:57,360
been publicly named Kevin were these men

3143
02:08:01,250 --> 02:07:59,760
ever found and was this an elaborate UFO

3144
02:08:03,980 --> 02:08:01,260
conspiracy to produce a hoax

3145
02:08:05,690 --> 02:08:03,990
it wasn't an elaborate conspiracy to

3146
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:05,700
produce a hoax but I think it was a hoax

3147
02:08:11,030 --> 02:08:07,770
as I tried to make it clear in the book

3148
02:08:13,160 --> 02:08:11,040
I went out to see watts when I was 18

3149
02:08:15,230 --> 02:08:13,170
years old at the time and I had been in

3150
02:08:16,820 --> 02:08:15,240
the Army for under a year and I had not

3151
02:08:17,030 --> 02:08:16,830
been I happen to be stationed close to

3152
02:08:20,900 --> 02:08:17,040
where

3153
02:08:22,970 --> 02:08:20,910
wot's was living so I drove up there to

3154
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:22,980
chat with him and he sat down and talked

3155
02:08:27,320 --> 02:08:25,050
with me and I have a had transcript and

3156
02:08:28,940 --> 02:08:27,330
I published it in the book watt said

3157
02:08:30,860 --> 02:08:28,950
that he'd seen UFOs on a number of

3158
02:08:32,570 --> 02:08:30,870
occasions they came close they told him

3159
02:08:35,090 --> 02:08:32,580
if you wanted to take a ride he had to

3160
02:08:37,970 --> 02:08:35,100
submit to an examination and he didn't

3161
02:08:40,070 --> 02:08:37,980
want to do that eventually he did and he

3162
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:40,080
goes for a ride on this UFO and bring in

3163
02:08:44,180 --> 02:08:41,850
comes back and then the Air Force gets

3164
02:08:45,770 --> 02:08:44,190
involved in it and he's given a

3165
02:08:47,060 --> 02:08:45,780
lie-detector test he fails he says he

3166
02:08:48,590 --> 02:08:47,070
was waylaid on the way to the

3167
02:08:50,060 --> 02:08:48,600
lie-detector test by a number of guys

3168
02:08:53,330 --> 02:08:50,070
who told him II better fail it or else

3169
02:08:55,100 --> 02:08:53,340
I'm not sure that that's feasible but

3170
02:08:57,590 --> 02:08:55,110
that's what he said but the thing that

3171
02:09:01,340 --> 02:08:57,600
struck me as I was going through this to

3172
02:09:02,780 --> 02:09:01,350
produce to produce the book was that his

3173
02:09:04,610 --> 02:09:02,790
description of the interior of the craft

3174
02:09:07,220 --> 02:09:04,620
certainly didn't make any sense I mean

3175
02:09:09,650 --> 02:09:07,230
talking about charts being stacked

3176
02:09:12,290 --> 02:09:09,660
around and desks with pens and papers on

3177
02:09:14,930 --> 02:09:12,300
it and sounds like a 1950's space hopper

3178
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TV show precisely and I'm thinking in

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today's environment if I came from Mars

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and they supposedly came from Mars and I

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wanted to to explore the earth I'd have

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much better resource than than the paper

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maps I'd have Google Earth for example

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and even though Google Earth didn't

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exist in 1968 if I've got the spacecraft

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I can map the planet myself pretty

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easily without having to worry about

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that that takes this technology there

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was nothing advanced in the technology

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the equipment that the aliens were using

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was standard earth-based technology of

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the time it just it just didn't make any

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sense I'm not sure how big of a

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conspiracy it was I'm not sure whether

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watts made the story up himself for

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whatever reason to get himself some

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attention or if he or if the chubby guy

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from Amarillo was was really there

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really existed that nobody nobody found

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anything else yeah the Air Force

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investigated it I think in the Air Force

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project Bluebook files it was from

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Wellington Texas he lived a watch limb

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too close to a place called loco Texas

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and I thought that was a apropos for

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definitely Texas we're not gonna go loco

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investment advisors won't talk about

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recognize the value of gold for your

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investments yet no word about IRAs if

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you would like to have gold for your

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[Music]

3307
02:15:02,070 --> 02:14:59,490
because Loco Texas let's move on to

3308
02:15:02,760 --> 02:15:02,080
another question I think we've gone past

3309
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:02,770
that one

3310
02:15:08,370 --> 02:15:04,810
okay well this goes into a question

3311
02:15:09,960 --> 02:15:08,380
about your service and okay this is the

3312
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third question from blowfish and it

3313
02:15:14,550 --> 02:15:13,090
involves your service and he wants to

3314
02:15:15,780 --> 02:15:14,560
know what are the best helicopters

3315
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:15,790
you've flown in and what are your

3316
02:15:19,110 --> 02:15:18,010
thoughts on the Blackhawks also what are

3317
02:15:21,690 --> 02:15:19,120
your thoughts on the Afghanistan

3318
02:15:23,580 --> 02:15:21,700
withdrawal the helicopters I flew I flew

3319
02:15:27,060 --> 02:15:23,590
what was called the th 55 which i think

3320
02:15:30,330 --> 02:15:27,070
is civilian designation is a hughes 300

3321
02:15:33,810 --> 02:15:30,340
it looks sort of like a grasshopper face

3322
02:15:35,670 --> 02:15:33,820
and a real skinny tail boom flew the

3323
02:15:39,540 --> 02:15:35,680
Huey's of course in all kinds of

3324
02:15:43,350 --> 02:15:39,550
different configurations from the slicks

3325
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in Vietnam gunships fire fly through the

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Firefly mission wants the smokey that

3327
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sort of thing it's very simple very easy

3328
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:51,610
aircraft to fly very forgiving aircraft

3329
02:16:00,450 --> 02:15:55,920
Huey is a great aircraft our our

3330
02:16:02,220 --> 02:16:00,460
designation for the Blackhawk when we

3331
02:16:06,420 --> 02:16:02,230
were in Iraq was the crash Hawk but

3332
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:06,430
that's something else but they become

3333
02:16:12,780 --> 02:16:08,730
very very complicated the Huey was very

3334
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:12,790
simple compared to that with the new

3335
02:16:17,250 --> 02:16:14,770
technologies they plug into these things

3336
02:16:19,560 --> 02:16:17,260
there they're very very technologically

3337
02:16:21,540 --> 02:16:19,570
oriented and it's it's really not the

3338
02:16:23,190 --> 02:16:21,550
same kind of joy of flying that you get

3339
02:16:25,470 --> 02:16:23,200
you spend a lot of time looking inside

3340
02:16:28,950 --> 02:16:25,480
the cockpit as opposed to just enjoying

3341
02:16:31,920 --> 02:16:28,960
the scenery outside the cockpit I think

3342
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:31,930
that anytime we tell the enemy our plans

3343
02:16:35,850 --> 02:16:34,090
for withdrawal we're giving them a major

3344
02:16:39,300 --> 02:16:35,860
advantage when we talk about our

3345
02:16:42,330 --> 02:16:39,310
withdrawal plans from Afghanistan I just

3346
02:16:43,980 --> 02:16:42,340
don't see the advantage of from from

3347
02:16:45,930 --> 02:16:43,990
from the standpoint of the soldiers in

3348
02:16:47,670 --> 02:16:45,940
the field telling the enemy what you're

3349
02:16:51,300 --> 02:16:47,680
going to do a political move

3350
02:16:53,730 --> 02:16:51,310
telling your partisans what you're going

3351
02:16:56,640 --> 02:16:53,740
to do is is probably a good thing to

3352
02:16:58,860 --> 02:16:56,650
keep their support and and it's just not

3353
02:17:03,030 --> 02:16:58,870
the Obama administration who's done that

3354
02:17:04,710 --> 02:17:03,040
you go back to the 1960s and the Nixon

3355
02:17:08,940 --> 02:17:04,720
administration pulled the same thing

3356
02:17:11,160 --> 02:17:08,950
prior to the first prior to the 68

3357
02:17:14,460 --> 02:17:11,170
elections and then prior to the 72

3358
02:17:16,140 --> 02:17:14,470
elections to ensure that Nixon got an

3359
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:16,150
extra four years in the White House I

3360
02:17:20,130 --> 02:17:18,010
think that when you mix politics with

3361
02:17:23,730 --> 02:17:20,140
the prosecution of a war you are

3362
02:17:26,070 --> 02:17:23,740
damaging and hurting the soldiers who

3363
02:17:28,110 --> 02:17:26,080
are in the field conducting the military

3364
02:17:29,520 --> 02:17:28,120
operations unfortunately it seems to

3365
02:17:31,890 --> 02:17:29,530
happen almost all the time let's get

3366
02:17:34,800 --> 02:17:31,900
back to our particular area of

3367
02:17:37,800 --> 02:17:34,810
discussion here now let's look at the

3368
02:17:40,380 --> 02:17:37,810
climate in 2012 let's go back to that

3369
02:17:42,030 --> 02:17:40,390
survey that National Geographic did and

3370
02:17:43,470 --> 02:17:42,040
I don't know how scientific it was but

3371
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:43,480
was done by a real surveying

3372
02:17:47,940 --> 02:17:46,090
organization showing that about 1/3 of

3373
02:17:50,730 --> 02:17:47,950
the people in the United States believe

3374
02:17:52,470 --> 02:17:50,740
in UFOs are some kind of wacky answers

3375
02:17:54,450 --> 02:17:52,480
like 2/3 of the people who were

3376
02:17:56,790 --> 02:17:54,460
questioned believed that Barack Obama is

3377
02:17:59,940 --> 02:17:56,800
better capable of handling an alien

3378
02:18:02,910 --> 02:17:59,950
invasion than Romney but whoa fantastic

3379
02:18:05,310 --> 02:18:02,920
now older surveys where do they come up

3380
02:18:07,560 --> 02:18:05,320
with stuff like that I was gonna say

3381
02:18:09,660 --> 02:18:07,570
what would be the purpose of invading

3382
02:18:11,220 --> 02:18:09,670
Earth if you think about it from the

3383
02:18:14,190 --> 02:18:11,230
alien point of view what would be the

3384
02:18:17,130 --> 02:18:14,200
purpose of invading Earth what resource

3385
02:18:19,560 --> 02:18:17,140
could we possibly have here that would

3386
02:18:22,290 --> 02:18:19,570
that they would want that they couldn't

3387
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:22,300
gather other places in the solar system

3388
02:18:27,570 --> 02:18:24,970
with a lot less effort Kevin come on

3389
02:18:29,610 --> 02:18:27,580
human emotion and secretions from the

3390
02:18:32,400 --> 02:18:29,620
pituitary gland I'm sure the pineal

3391
02:18:37,050 --> 02:18:32,410
gland that's that's great science

3392
02:18:43,170 --> 02:18:37,060
fiction but unless of course we happen

3393
02:18:45,090 --> 02:18:43,180
to be food yeah I'm back now okay so

3394
02:18:47,670 --> 02:18:45,100
let's go back to the whacky to the

3395
02:18:49,140 --> 02:18:47,680
whacky okay so we have a third of the

3396
02:18:51,270 --> 02:18:49,150
people in the United States believe in

3397
02:18:54,180 --> 02:18:51,280
UFOs I guess they're for being

3398
02:18:56,580 --> 02:18:54,190
spaceships because that's the assumed

3399
02:18:59,400 --> 02:18:56,590
answer but if you go back to older

3400
02:19:01,860 --> 02:18:59,410
surveys in the 90s and even older more

3401
02:19:06,360 --> 02:19:01,870
than half the people in America believed

3402
02:19:08,640 --> 02:19:06,370
in UFO reality so are we seeing here

3403
02:19:11,010 --> 02:19:08,650
less and less fewer and fewer people are

3404
02:19:13,320 --> 02:19:11,020
interested in UFOs or accept the reality

3405
02:19:14,790 --> 02:19:13,330
or people so wrapped up with other

3406
02:19:17,790 --> 02:19:14,800
considerations they can't even think

3407
02:19:20,669 --> 02:19:17,800
about the subject I would I would say D

3408
02:19:23,970 --> 02:19:20,679
if I was gonna guess but I would also

3409
02:19:27,450 --> 02:19:23,980
point out that in the last year and a

3410
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:27,460
half I have probably been called 50

3411
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:31,210
times on surveys about my political

3412
02:19:37,560 --> 02:19:33,610
beliefs you know granted this is not

3413
02:19:38,940 --> 02:19:37,570
UFOs but how accurate are the surveys

3414
02:19:40,709 --> 02:19:38,950
when they keep calling the same people

3415
02:19:42,419 --> 02:19:40,719
over and over and over again

3416
02:19:45,180 --> 02:19:42,429
I always make up answer to skew the

3417
02:19:46,500 --> 02:19:45,190
results just to just above them and and

3418
02:19:48,740 --> 02:19:46,510
hopefully they'll hear this and now

3419
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:48,750
they'll take my name off their list but

3420
02:19:53,100 --> 02:19:51,130
you look at it you have to realize it I

3421
02:19:54,690 --> 02:19:53,110
don't know what the margin of error was

3422
02:19:56,551 --> 02:19:54,700
in it I don't know how long the survey

3423
02:19:58,980 --> 02:19:56,561
was I don't know how they selected their

3424
02:20:01,110 --> 02:19:58,990
sample and all of that might skew the

3425
02:20:03,630 --> 02:20:01,120
result but but yeah I'd noticed the same

3426
02:20:05,220 --> 02:20:03,640
thing that a number of years ago more

3427
02:20:08,580 --> 02:20:05,230
than 50% of the people believed that

3428
02:20:10,830 --> 02:20:08,590
some UFOs were spaceships and today

3429
02:20:12,540 --> 02:20:10,840
we're we're down to 30% but I don't know

3430
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:12,550
how the surveys were conducted and I

3431
02:20:17,310 --> 02:20:15,490
know nothing about the variables that

3432
02:20:19,380 --> 02:20:17,320
they used in their survey so I just

3433
02:20:19,770 --> 02:20:19,390
don't I I ignore surveys as being

3434
02:20:23,400 --> 02:20:19,780
useless

3435
02:20:25,350 --> 02:20:23,410
so regardless how do we interest people

3436
02:20:27,930 --> 02:20:25,360
today in looking at UFOs and taking it

3437
02:20:31,560 --> 02:20:27,940
seriously well first of all we get crap

3438
02:20:34,801 --> 02:20:31,570
like chasing UFOs off the air because

3439
02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:34,811
that's not helping the thing is yeah I

3440
02:20:38,040 --> 02:20:36,490
look at it from my point of view which

3441
02:20:39,450 --> 02:20:38,050
is I would like to treat it it is a

3442
02:20:43,500 --> 02:20:39,460
serious subject I would like to bring

3443
02:20:46,261 --> 02:20:43,510
science to the study of ufology I would

3444
02:20:49,770 --> 02:20:46,271
like to see people get away from their

3445
02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:49,780
personal agendas in ufology and talk

3446
02:20:54,480 --> 02:20:52,330
about what we can find in the way of

3447
02:20:57,720 --> 02:20:54,490
evidence but that's not going to happen

3448
02:21:02,011 --> 02:20:57,730
so you know the only thing I can say is

3449
02:21:03,810 --> 02:21:02,021
I try to be a scientific in my

3450
02:21:06,210 --> 02:21:03,820
orientation toward the subject I try to

3451
02:21:08,790 --> 02:21:06,220
be as honest in my reporting of the

3452
02:21:10,801 --> 02:21:08,800
subject and if I make a mistake I try to

3453
02:21:12,810 --> 02:21:10,811
be the first one to point out hey I blew

3454
02:21:14,910 --> 02:21:12,820
the call on that one and let's move on

3455
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:14,920
to something else but the other thing we

3456
02:21:19,890 --> 02:21:18,250
run into is and and we were mentioning

3457
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:19,900
it earlier on the Aztek case

3458
02:21:23,041 --> 02:21:21,610
these things just resurface you can't

3459
02:21:24,150 --> 02:21:23,051
you can't drive a stake through them and

3460
02:21:26,671 --> 02:21:24,160
end them forever

3461
02:21:28,591 --> 02:21:26,681
you've got the allende letters these

3462
02:21:31,171 --> 02:21:28,601
were the letters sent to the to the Navy

3463
02:21:33,810 --> 02:21:31,181
in the 1950s it alleged some kind of

3464
02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:33,820
superior knowledge of UFOs the guy

3465
02:21:38,400 --> 02:21:36,370
finally admitted it was a Hulk signed a

3466
02:21:40,081 --> 02:21:38,410
document saying it was a hoax and today

3467
02:21:42,121 --> 02:21:40,091
we still argue about the reality of the

3468
02:21:43,890 --> 02:21:42,131
year again day letters I mean it's just

3469
02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:43,900
preposterous now one of the things

3470
02:21:47,430 --> 02:21:45,250
talked about there was of course the

3471
02:21:49,890 --> 02:21:47,440
Philadelphia Experiment supposedly

3472
02:21:51,511 --> 02:21:49,900
taking place in World War two and guess

3473
02:21:54,121 --> 02:21:51,521
what there was a New Philadelphia

3474
02:21:56,461 --> 02:21:54,131
Experiment movie on sci-fi channel

3475
02:21:58,140 --> 02:21:56,471
low-budget movie and they had Malcolm

3476
02:21:59,881 --> 02:21:58,150
McDowell in there and one of the

3477
02:22:01,680 --> 02:21:59,891
original actors of the original

3478
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:01,690
Philadelphia Experiment movie from some

3479
02:22:06,180 --> 02:22:03,610
years back so we never give up these

3480
02:22:08,131 --> 02:22:06,190
legends well but but they're you're

3481
02:22:10,171 --> 02:22:08,141
talking about a movie and and when we

3482
02:22:12,060 --> 02:22:10,181
were doing the Roswell movie and I was

3483
02:22:14,730 --> 02:22:12,070
on the set as there's a technical

3484
02:22:17,970 --> 02:22:14,740
adviser and I mentioned to the director

3485
02:22:19,381 --> 02:22:17,980
that they had addressed some guy in one

3486
02:22:20,791 --> 02:22:19,391
way nice you know that's really not

3487
02:22:22,440 --> 02:22:20,801
quite right what you should do and he

3488
02:22:24,180 --> 02:22:22,450
says you know you have to remember one

3489
02:22:26,190 --> 02:22:24,190
thing here we're making a movie now two

3490
02:22:28,440 --> 02:22:26,200
documentary and so you've got to

3491
02:22:30,180 --> 02:22:28,450
remember it's a movie my mother told me

3492
02:22:31,890 --> 02:22:30,190
repeatedly that George Custer had been

3493
02:22:34,051 --> 02:22:31,900
promoted to Brigadier General by mistake

3494
02:22:35,700 --> 02:22:34,061
and that comes from the movie they died

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02:22:37,350 --> 02:22:35,710
with their boots on if you read your

3496
02:22:39,450 --> 02:22:37,360
history you find out that Custer was

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promoted to Brigadier General just as

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the other members of his class were

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because they took the regulars and put

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them in charge of the volunteer or state

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militias that were being called up or

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02:22:52,890 --> 02:22:51,190
activated to to fight the Civil War so

3503
02:22:54,660 --> 02:22:52,900
you know you look at that stuff you now

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02:22:56,671 --> 02:22:54,670
say well this is a movie that I remember

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02:23:00,211 --> 02:22:56,681
it's a movie you look at the

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02:23:02,041 --> 02:23:00,221
documentaries and say is there a bias by

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02:23:04,110 --> 02:23:02,051
the documentary producers that you can

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02:23:06,331 --> 02:23:04,120
pick up and and sometimes they're overly

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enthusiastic about UFOs and they embrace

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everything and sometimes they wouldn't

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02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:10,900
they wouldn't admit the UFOs were real

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02:23:15,511 --> 02:23:12,730
if they had footage of the damn things

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02:23:18,890 --> 02:23:15,521
landing you just have to to look at that

3514
02:23:22,200 --> 02:23:18,900
and and and try to get through the noise

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02:23:24,511 --> 02:23:22,210
okay but you also have certain UFO

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02:23:26,131 --> 02:23:24,521
reality shows paranormal reality shows

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we all know what they are and we've

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02:23:29,970 --> 02:23:27,940
mentioned one of them over and over

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02:23:32,131 --> 02:23:29,980
again without naming names we have all

3520
02:23:33,720 --> 02:23:32,141
these shows going on there that has to

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02:23:34,770 --> 02:23:33,730
influence the public's perception

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02:23:37,831 --> 02:23:34,780
because I assume if you go to the

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average person say this show do you

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02:23:41,161 --> 02:23:39,551
think it's real do you think house

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hunters is real if they're really seeing

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three houses in 30 minutes and choosing

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which house they're going to buy and you

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02:23:49,560 --> 02:23:46,631
have to wonder how many people just

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02:23:52,020 --> 02:23:49,570
accept that as a reality this is it this

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02:23:54,211 --> 02:23:52,030
is reality TV this is cable TV this is

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02:23:56,100 --> 02:23:54,221
the way the world works and when you try

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02:23:57,751 --> 02:23:56,110
to involve them in more intricate

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mysteries and certainly the UFO mystery

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is very very complex and you can't cover

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02:24:06,511 --> 02:24:04,841
it in a year or a decade do you think

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02:24:08,761 --> 02:24:06,521
that this is just spoiling the pool in

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terms of interesting people and a very

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serious discussion with lots of serious

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ramifications

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Kevin Randall is gonna have the answer

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maybe to that long question in our next

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hi this is Ted Phillips listening to the

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para cast and it's as good as it gets

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believe me with Jean with Chris on the

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para cast our final segment with Kevin

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Dee Randall author of a number of books

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about UFOs or authors science fiction

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books he clearly labels which is which

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so you know and he also has that blog a

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different perspective so I'm talking

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about the poison pool Kevin that the

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reality shows everything else kind soil

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is what someone's reaction is about any

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event particularly something as involved

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as the UFO mystery how do we deal with

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that you can't there's nothing you can

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02:29:31,230 --> 02:29:27,950
do take the news take the news media I

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was standing in our talk in Baghdad Iraq

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we had what I called my open source

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intelligence which meant we had a

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satellite dish that brought in the the

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news programs and I remember watching

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Ted Koppel on Nightline and he's

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standing in a school in Baghdad and he

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says look at the deplorable conditions

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here's raw sewage in the corner of this

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school and I turned to the my fellows in

3675
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the talk and I said great we fixed 2500

3676
02:29:58,929 --> 02:29:57,020
schools and this guy gets to the one we

3677
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haven't been to yet so you get a

3678
02:30:04,870 --> 02:30:02,210
perception that the schools in in Iraq

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had been destroyed and they weren't

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functioning and yet the reality of the

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situation was a lot of them had been

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repaired a lot of them had been repaired

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by American soldiers a lot of the school

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supplies had been supplied by American

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soldiers from family groups that sent

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them stuff that they asked for so they

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could help the students go into law

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rocky school's out and you don't get

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that perception from the news there's

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nothing we can do about it you you you

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have to sort through it yourself and say

3692
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you know is this reality you've got to

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understand on television they're making

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a show that is entertaining and they're

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going to try to make it entertaining

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because it's not entertaining people

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aren't going to watch it and while I

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might think that something some UFO

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sighting is extremely exciting based on

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what would be more boring and mundane

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facts about it

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most people might not like that sort of

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thing they want to see something more

3704
02:31:00,011 --> 02:30:58,431
exciting there's nothing there's really

3705
02:31:02,711 --> 02:31:00,021
nothing we can do about it other than

3706
02:31:06,671 --> 02:31:02,721
all of us who are interested in this

3707
02:31:11,350 --> 02:31:06,681
trying to present the UFO information as

3708
02:31:14,171 --> 02:31:11,360
as precisely as we can and honestly as

3709
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:14,181
we can and and admitting to the mistakes

3710
02:31:19,211 --> 02:31:16,960
we make but also pointing out you know

3711
02:31:20,770 --> 02:31:19,221
the the skeptical community says you

3712
02:31:22,480 --> 02:31:20,780
know Frank Kaufman was not telling the

3713
02:31:24,341 --> 02:31:22,490
truth about the Roswell crash well the

3714
02:31:26,140 --> 02:31:24,351
only reason you guys know that is

3715
02:31:28,631 --> 02:31:26,150
because Mark Roddick or Don Schmitt mark

3716
02:31:30,220 --> 02:31:28,641
Chesney and I made sure that information

3717
02:31:32,230 --> 02:31:30,230
got published okay let's move on to

3718
02:31:33,940 --> 02:31:32,240
another subject real quickly here you've

3719
02:31:36,850 --> 02:31:33,950
run a couple of columns about recent

3720
02:31:39,040 --> 02:31:36,860
contacts with Travis Walton the UFO

3721
02:31:43,810 --> 02:31:39,050
abductees any new insights about his

3722
02:31:45,310 --> 02:31:43,820
case not really I I know that Travis

3723
02:31:47,020 --> 02:31:45,320
Walton had been very annoyed at me with

3724
02:31:50,410 --> 02:31:47,030
what we had said in the abduction enigma

3725
02:31:52,120 --> 02:31:50,420
about abductions in general but we sat

3726
02:31:53,770 --> 02:31:52,130
down and had a nice chat about that

3727
02:31:55,480 --> 02:31:53,780
would you summarize for our listeners

3728
02:31:57,961 --> 02:31:55,490
who haven't read that book what your

3729
02:32:00,970 --> 02:31:57,971
feeling is about the abduction scenario

3730
02:32:04,450 --> 02:32:00,980
that the the answer is pressed really

3731
02:32:06,430 --> 02:32:04,460
based that that we don't have a bunch of

3732
02:32:08,950 --> 02:32:06,440
alien creatures abducting people on a

3733
02:32:11,530 --> 02:32:08,960
regular basis but I also said to Travis

3734
02:32:13,841 --> 02:32:11,540
Walton I'll say I'd say to anybody yes

3735
02:32:16,750 --> 02:32:13,851
there is alien abduction going on I

3736
02:32:19,180 --> 02:32:16,760
would expect the scenario to more follow

3737
02:32:21,070 --> 02:32:19,190
the one time Travis Walton type of

3738
02:32:22,690 --> 02:32:21,080
scenario than the the beams coming back

3739
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:22,700
repeatedly to abduct the same people

3740
02:32:26,381 --> 02:32:25,130
over and over again and perform genetic

3741
02:32:28,841 --> 02:32:26,391
experiments that would have been crude

3742
02:32:31,961 --> 02:32:28,851
by 1950 standards but that's a whole

3743
02:32:35,530 --> 02:32:31,971
nother argument but what what I was

3744
02:32:37,270 --> 02:32:35,540
interested in I had an opportunity to

3745
02:32:38,680 --> 02:32:37,280
talk to Steve Pierce who was one of the

3746
02:32:40,660 --> 02:32:38,690
guys in the truck with Walton when he

3747
02:32:44,440 --> 02:32:40,670
was abducted and there had been a

3748
02:32:47,591 --> 02:32:44,450
controversy about Philip Glass offering

3749
02:32:50,261 --> 02:32:47,601
him $10,000 to say it was a hoax and so

3750
02:32:52,660 --> 02:32:50,271
I had I had explored that the number of

3751
02:32:54,520 --> 02:32:52,670
months ago on the on the blog in what

3752
02:32:56,080 --> 02:32:54,530
Phil class had to say about that and now

3753
02:32:58,211 --> 02:32:56,090
I had a chance to sit down with Pearce

3754
02:33:01,801 --> 02:32:58,221
on a one-to-one and talk to him about it

3755
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:01,811
and God got it from his perspective and

3756
02:33:06,761 --> 02:33:04,730
the Pearce Pearce was of the opinion the

3757
02:33:07,871 --> 02:33:06,771
class had offered him $10,000 to say it

3758
02:33:10,121 --> 02:33:07,881
was a hoax

3759
02:33:11,711 --> 02:33:10,131
but before class would pay the money he

3760
02:33:13,211 --> 02:33:11,721
wanted evidence that it was a hoax you

3761
02:33:14,860 --> 02:33:13,221
know here's the generator we use to

3762
02:33:16,331 --> 02:33:14,870
produce two lines here's how we did this

3763
02:33:20,081 --> 02:33:16,341
here's how we did that that sort of

3764
02:33:21,821 --> 02:33:20,091
thing and and Peirce wasn't going to do

3765
02:33:24,791 --> 02:33:21,831
that but but what I find interesting is

3766
02:33:28,451 --> 02:33:24,801
is Pierce's wife said to him is it a

3767
02:33:30,011 --> 02:33:28,461
hoax and he said to her no it's not and

3768
02:33:31,180 --> 02:33:30,021
she said then why would you say ed he

3769
02:33:32,621 --> 02:33:31,190
said for the money and she said I'll

3770
02:33:34,751 --> 02:33:32,631
never spend any of that money if you get

3771
02:33:37,480 --> 02:33:34,761
it and I found that kind of interesting

3772
02:33:39,331 --> 02:33:37,490
now on my blog has been a number of

3773
02:33:42,881 --> 02:33:39,341
people have just outraged that I have

3774
02:33:45,970 --> 02:33:42,891
you know I published what Steve Pierce

3775
02:33:48,791 --> 02:33:45,980
had told me and I said that I found no

3776
02:33:50,801 --> 02:33:48,801
reason to disbelieve him which isn't to

3777
02:33:52,270 --> 02:33:50,811
say that what he's saying is based in

3778
02:33:55,991 --> 02:33:52,280
reality but it's the truth as he

3779
02:33:59,020 --> 02:33:56,001
believes it just as his class may may

3780
02:34:01,031 --> 02:33:59,030
have said something to somebody that was

3781
02:34:03,310 --> 02:34:01,041
misunderstood or klax may in fact of

3782
02:34:05,140 --> 02:34:03,320
offered him the $10,000 to say I was a

3783
02:34:06,850 --> 02:34:05,150
hoax I don't really know but you know

3784
02:34:09,071 --> 02:34:06,860
that was that was what that was I wanted

3785
02:34:12,281 --> 02:34:09,081
to sit down with Pierce and talk to him

3786
02:34:15,100 --> 02:34:12,291
about that specific aspect of a case did

3787
02:34:17,110 --> 02:34:15,110
phil class offer you $10,000 to say it

3788
02:34:19,480 --> 02:34:17,120
was a hoax and according to Pierce class

3789
02:34:21,220 --> 02:34:19,490
did now the class defenders that appear

3790
02:34:23,951 --> 02:34:21,230
on my blog periodically they're just

3791
02:34:28,121 --> 02:34:23,961
outraged by this how dare you @xo class

3792
02:34:29,951 --> 02:34:28,131
and so there you go so it's an attack if

3793
02:34:32,501 --> 02:34:29,961
you tell the truth so in this day and

3794
02:34:35,440 --> 02:34:32,511
age you're saying that if there was any

3795
02:34:37,150 --> 02:34:35,450
UFO abductions at all it would be Travis

3796
02:34:39,730 --> 02:34:37,160
wall could be at least a textbook

3797
02:34:42,251 --> 02:34:39,740
example of someone having a body weird

3798
02:34:42,821 --> 02:34:42,261
thing happened to them one time and one

3799
02:34:45,251 --> 02:34:42,831
time only

3800
02:34:47,831 --> 02:34:45,261
what about a school in Mississippi what

3801
02:34:50,201 --> 02:34:47,841
about Betty and Barney Hill yeah that

3802
02:34:51,850 --> 02:34:50,211
would be at Pascagoula I mean it what

3803
02:34:54,671 --> 02:34:51,860
we're looking at is a target of

3804
02:34:56,411 --> 02:34:54,681
opportunity and and that strikes me as

3805
02:35:01,991 --> 02:34:56,421
the way it would be done rather than

3806
02:35:04,121 --> 02:35:02,001
this ongoing linear old study of one

3807
02:35:06,341 --> 02:35:04,131
specific family that crosses many

3808
02:35:10,081 --> 02:35:06,351
generations and performing genetic

3809
02:35:13,060 --> 02:35:10,091
experience experiments that make no

3810
02:35:14,621 --> 02:35:13,070
scientific sense and and would have been

3811
02:35:17,020 --> 02:35:14,631
crude if we had been trying those

3812
02:35:19,421 --> 02:35:17,030
experiments in the 1950s the thing I

3813
02:35:20,210 --> 02:35:19,431
wonder about here too is if I'm an ET

3814
02:35:28,910 --> 02:35:20,220
and

3815
02:35:30,889 --> 02:35:28,920
about us why concentrate on one family

3816
02:35:35,000 --> 02:35:30,899
why Khan strands something so

3817
02:35:37,969 --> 02:35:35,010
insignificant and and what why do you

3818
02:35:39,740 --> 02:35:37,979
why do you need to abduct literally

3819
02:35:41,150 --> 02:35:39,750
thousands and thousands of people if you

3820
02:35:43,070 --> 02:35:41,160
if you're trying to get a baseline of

3821
02:35:45,410 --> 02:35:43,080
the species you don't have to abduct

3822
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:45,420
that many people I mean after after

3823
02:35:49,280 --> 02:35:47,010
you've looked at ten or twelve and and

3824
02:35:50,929 --> 02:35:49,290
that they're pretty much the same you've

3825
02:35:52,670 --> 02:35:50,939
got a pretty solid baseline yeah there's

3826
02:35:55,099 --> 02:35:52,680
always the possibility from the anomaly

3827
02:35:56,809 --> 02:35:55,109
well we abducted two seven seven foot

3828
02:35:59,750 --> 02:35:56,819
two guy who happened to be a basketball

3829
02:36:02,360 --> 02:35:59,760
star that's not typical of the human

3830
02:36:04,130 --> 02:36:02,370
race but but if you you pick a pretty

3831
02:36:05,540 --> 02:36:04,140
random sample you're gonna get a pretty

3832
02:36:07,250 --> 02:36:05,550
good baseline of what the human race is

3833
02:36:09,229 --> 02:36:07,260
about you also want to look at the

3834
02:36:11,809 --> 02:36:09,239
extremes people very short people very

3835
02:36:14,450 --> 02:36:11,819
tall that kind of thing the minorities

3836
02:36:15,979 --> 02:36:14,460
see why there are exceptions and we

3837
02:36:17,690 --> 02:36:15,989
asked we asked questions you know we

3838
02:36:20,090 --> 02:36:17,700
found some Annamma anomalies in the

3839
02:36:21,889 --> 02:36:20,100
abduction statistics but we thought you

3840
02:36:24,170 --> 02:36:21,899
know this this suggests are there other

3841
02:36:28,849 --> 02:36:24,180
anomalies in the statistics why did they

3842
02:36:30,530 --> 02:36:28,859
always seem to a abduct one specific

3843
02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:30,540
type you know are they looking for are

3844
02:36:34,490 --> 02:36:32,850
they looking for if they had abducted

3845
02:36:37,269 --> 02:36:34,500
people of a certain blood type that

3846
02:36:39,380 --> 02:36:37,279
might be interesting or are the

3847
02:36:40,280 --> 02:36:39,390
left-handed people over-represented in

3848
02:36:42,080 --> 02:36:40,290
the population

3849
02:36:44,570 --> 02:36:42,090
what about college-educated people as

3850
02:36:46,040 --> 02:36:44,580
opposed to high school educated people I

3851
02:36:47,780 --> 02:36:46,050
mean their statistics that could be

3852
02:36:49,070 --> 02:36:47,790
gathered from the abduction population

3853
02:36:51,139 --> 02:36:49,080
that might give us some answers but that

3854
02:36:53,540 --> 02:36:51,149
sort of thing is never done instead we

3855
02:36:55,910 --> 02:36:53,550
put him under hypnotic regression and we

3856
02:36:58,610 --> 02:36:55,920
keep asking him the same question until

3857
02:37:02,750 --> 02:36:58,620
we get the answer we want and and and if

3858
02:37:05,450 --> 02:37:02,760
you but Hopkins challenged some of us

3859
02:37:08,420 --> 02:37:05,460
indirectly to show where he led the

3860
02:37:10,940 --> 02:37:08,430
witnesses in his hypnotic regression

3861
02:37:13,670 --> 02:37:10,950
sentences there's a sessions so I just

3862
02:37:15,679 --> 02:37:13,680
used one of his books and pulled the

3863
02:37:17,240 --> 02:37:15,689
session out where it was clear that he

3864
02:37:18,679 --> 02:37:17,250
wasn't getting the answer he wanted and

3865
02:37:21,590 --> 02:37:18,689
he kept asking the same question until

3866
02:37:23,900 --> 02:37:21,600
he got the answer he wanted john mack

3867
02:37:26,349 --> 02:37:23,910
had said it was interesting that there

3868
02:37:29,240 --> 02:37:26,359
seemed to be a matching between the

3869
02:37:31,610 --> 02:37:29,250
abductee and the abduction researcher as

3870
02:37:33,710 --> 02:37:31,620
to their belief structures in other

3871
02:37:34,070 --> 02:37:33,720
words you know cold calculating aliens

3872
02:37:36,349 --> 02:37:34,080
what

3873
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:36,359
when to Budd Hopkins those with an

3874
02:37:42,559 --> 02:37:38,399
Eastern philosophy ended up with John

3875
02:37:45,080 --> 02:37:42,569
Mack those with a were interested in

3876
02:37:46,730 --> 02:37:45,090
genetics ended up with david jacobs and

3877
02:37:48,710 --> 02:37:46,740
the benevolent race brother case has

3878
02:37:50,599 --> 02:37:48,720
ended up with Leo sprinkle now tell you

3879
02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:50,609
what we have no more benevolence to

3880
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:51,600
offer this week

3881
02:37:55,250 --> 02:37:53,760
Kevin Randle tell our listeners where

3882
02:37:55,670 --> 02:37:55,260
they find more of the stuff that you're

3883
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3884
02:37:59,570 --> 02:37:57,810
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3885
02:38:01,160 --> 02:37:59,580
bookstores and they can take a look at

3886
02:38:02,120 --> 02:38:01,170
my blog as you bought it out a different

3887
02:38:05,780 --> 02:38:02,130
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3888
02:38:08,450 --> 02:38:05,790
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3889
02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:08,460
he's very outspoken he posts what every

3890
02:38:14,690 --> 02:38:12,090
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3891
02:38:16,760 --> 02:38:14,700
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02:38:23,860 --> 02:38:20,460
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3895
02:38:26,809 --> 02:38:23,870
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3896
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3897
02:38:31,550 --> 02:38:28,890
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3898
02:38:33,530 --> 02:38:31,560
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3902
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3903
02:38:56,761 --> 02:38:43,050
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3904
02:39:03,190 --> 02:39:00,041
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3905
02:39:06,180 --> 02:39:03,200
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3906
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